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[–] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Netanyahu and Israel can pat themselves on the back for successfully sabotaging any possibility of de-escalation here by ramping up an expansionist war and ethnic cleansing in Lebanon.

Get ready for this war to grow on an international scale, international powers including specifically most European nations have failed spectacularly to deal honestly with this crisis while condescending the US and its involvement superficially and now we must all suffer the consequences.

Honestly this could have been a decade of relative peace, none of this was unavoidable, rather this entrance into a global war had to be carefully shepherded by bigoted figures like Netanyahu, Biden and Trump lest it all fell apart into peace and understanding.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Apparently we were at war with Iran for the last 40 years, or only 3 months who cares look waves hands...

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    [–] 47 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Is this the agreement Trump has claimed for weeks will come very soon?

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    How are so many people falling for this horseshit? It feels like I'm going insane.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    What really makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills is when I watch the markets - things like S&P and oil futures on the tail end of news like this.

    I'm not sure if many people are already baking in the fact that he's a dumbass and so when he's proven a liar or has another TACO Tuesday it's NBD, or what...

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Wonder how many people this pointless war has killed, between combat, economic degradation, and shipping disruptions. I’d wager tens of thousands

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (21 children)

    Iran knows what up they know they just gotta make it until midterms and all this madness ends.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    A strait closure through November would be apocalyptic. Iran would be the least of our worries by then.

    Nothing is going back to normal, ever. Not even if Trump loses and gives up power (0% chance of that IMO though). The damage is already done, it just starts to multiply faster the longer this goes.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    If only there was a way to remove reliance on oil and its trade from the US and global economies. Like some kind of energy source that can be locally sourced or is so plentiful that it can be sourced from any number of other countries

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Do you remember those calculators we had as kids? They didn't have replaceable batteries, they just had a little gray box at the top that converted light from the room you were in into energy to run the calculator. It would be so cool if we could do something like that at scale. Unfortunately I think that was as far as they ever took that technology.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    It might be overly optimistic of me but I genuinely hope this pushes more solar, wind, and nuclear power investments globally. Cuba just kinda proved a rapid conversion from oil based power is possible. We just need a global effort into sustainable and efficient batteries that can be made with local resources to match

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Problem is, not just oil went thru Hormuz, but a good part of all the other trade goods.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    While true, without a drastic market squeeze, those who have the money won't invest it into alternative options until the cost of the status quo is higher than the alternatives for a long enough time

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The fertilizer is the real issue from a blockade. A "squeeze" on food markets generally kills people.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    If memory serves, people tend to get overthrowy when their "leaders" allow them to get hungry. Not saying it's a good thing for people to starve, just saying that something will have to give if we are to do better than the status quo. The obvious downsides of this whole thing that numerous people loudly pointed out before (and still pointing it out) Trump started his stupid power grab including the straight are just coming true and at some point there stranglehold he and his ilk have on the people will break

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Issue is here it will not be the leaders that matter. Not isreal, not the us. It will be parts of India and SEA with increased prices everywhere hurting the most vulnerable people in nations first and hardest. The starving people will not be overthrowing the nations involved in creating this issue, they will likely take it out on governments that did nothing but rely on international trade.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    You're right. There is no way that this doesn't end with Innocents getting caught in the crossfire. Ignoring all the Innocents that have already been caught in the crossfire of this and related political pissing contests or bullying

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Their best chance at making something happen is right now. Closing the strait (and associated gas prices) is killing Republicans. After midterms they lose that power because whatever happens already happened.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    If republicans get massacred at the midterms the US is withdrawing completely from Iran the only reason they are still there is because congress is allowing it.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Who told you Congress is allowing this? These people don't care what congress wants.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Congress told us themselves with their votes, by shooting down every attempt to stop this war or explicitly limit lord diaper's powers to continue it.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    The votes against the war powers resolutions that limit diapers' power to keep the war going

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    The great negotiator just keep saying no and you both don't get what you want.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Way to go, American voters (or non-voters).

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    I’m surprised “peace” is even on the wheel.

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  • [–] 133 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Well, it’s Monday, so now we collapse the futures market outcomes and collect gains for the insiders.

    On Friday they’ll have a deal again, the after hours markets will go up, they’ll capitalize, then on Monday we’ll be back to this.

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    That's exactly the goal. This regime is extracting as much wealth as possible before they're removed.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    I think you're overestimating this regime.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I think you're underestimating them. Sure it's one of the least competent administrations in the history of the country, but there are plenty of very evil and very competent people in the regime pulling the strings and setting the long term goals and strategies. Look at Bannon for example. He's very cunning and evil.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    there are plenty of very evil and very competent people in the regime pulling the strings and setting the long term goals and strategies

    That's the part I specifically don't believe. Even the people like Bannon who have certain impressive skills, are ultimately short term thinkers that are liable to miscalculation due to arrogance. At the end of the day, they know not to speak out against any dumb move Trump wants to pull, as he has consistently purged such people and replaced them with insane yes-men.

    Trump has never been puppeted, only manipulated and tricked by people appealing to his ego. He is uniquely adept at uniting fascist foot soldiers and oligarchic interests, but he has never been the billionaires' perfect option. They tried to replace him before both the 2016 and 2024 elections, specifically because he isn't their lapdog.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    He he is being puppeted, just not by oligarchs, but by putin and Israel, who have kompromat on him.

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  • Appealing to his ego and earning his admiration isn't puppetry, but manipulation. Puppetry is when someone is forced to do another's bidding against their will. Trump simps for daddy Putin and brother Netanyahu voluntarily, not because they force him.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    We seem to have different definitions of puppetry then, based on your reply to the other person.

    Also, the long term evil strategists are people like Kevin Roberts, Peter Thiel, Russ Vought (huge one for dismantling the federal government), Clarence Thomas, Mitch McConnell (more traditional but very long history). These are people who have worked for decades to get to this point.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Jfc, what did dumbfuck do now?

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The USA has been bombing Iran regularly over the past week. Iran has retaliated by bombing a US base in Kuwait. Since it's obvious that the US thinks it can keep bombing on a slow-burn schedule, Iran is escalating.

    Meanwhile, Israel has been bombing world heritage sites in Tyre and moving across the Litani river.

    Also, from Iran's perspective, now isn't a bad time to finally block Bab el-Mandeb. The United States can't really withdraw that much more from their SPRs, so the effect will be maximized. Meanwhile Europe is growing more hawkish on Russia, so upping the ante is the right move.

    Of course, this will cause incredible suffering in Asia with trickle-down effects hitting the poor of the world the hardest.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    And now Trump is trying to apply last minute pressure after fucking around and finding out. People underestimate just how little strategy is involved in the US approach.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Yeah, he's reeling. He wants to do a 1-2 day massive bombing campaign, declare victory, and then leave. The problem is Iran says they will make the Gulf uninhabitable if he does that, and the grown-ups know that Iran isn't bluffing.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Good thing I filled up during the dip

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Nothing-yahoo won't stop bombing Lebanon like the feral rabid animals the Zionists are.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    The Art of the Congeal

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Here is your fortnightly reminder that any country that had switched to renewables, like the scientists told them to, wouldn't have to care about any of this right now.

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    [–] 73 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children)

    I mean how the hell do you even negotiate with the US right now. Our words mean nothing, our agreements mean nothing, we're going lock step with isreal who's word means even less. Our definition of "cease fire" means you cease we fire.

    Iran would have to be Charlie Brown with the football to keep negotiating.

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  • [+] -17 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    How about they agree to hand over the enriched uranium?

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Hot take, how about no.

    I would go even further and say that they have a right to build a fully functioning national nuclear power grid including the ability to refuse ne and enrich several different types of isotopes for a variety of reasons.

    I don't love nuclear weapons, and we were on a global track to reduce them until we decided to give them to Israel and India while also demonstrating to the world that they are a required tool to protect you from invasion.

    Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine and now Iran have all been severely punished for not having nuclear weapons at their disposal while North Korea gets repeatedly rewarded through non intervention just for maintaining theirs.

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  • [+] -22 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Does watching gays swinging from their cranes make you fantasize about what they would be able to do with a nuclear weapon?

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Go watch some videos of what ICE is doing in Delaney right now. Are you salivating?

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  • [+] -12 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Watching them suppress protestors makes you root for Iran?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I dunno, does iran try to destabilize the world because they don't want to arrest pedofiles ? May be Iran is a shit country but at least they are not actively trying to destroy the world. Is it the love for pedofile which make you attack iran ?

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Lol funny that you focus on that. Imagine bringing up pedophiles in the US to contrast with Iran

    Iran actually has mandatory state guidelines on how to physically perform your beloved pedophilia.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Funny that you focus on the pedofile part instead of the world be destroyed. Did you prepare a gotcha moment ?

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Lol, even if you suddenly (and suspiciously conveniently) don't care about their systemic child rape anymore, you'd have to be incredibly unaware of the game the Iranian regime is playing (both internally and globally) to think they're making the world better

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I care for both buddy, I don't try to minimize the crime of one, they are both crap. Please cite me for where I told that they made the world better ? You transpire propaganda it is crazy. You say A I answer B. I tell I answered C and never answer to B. Dude we are not magats... Your bullshit is visible.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Art of the deal, folks....

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    [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    But the US was very close to having a deal... Or was that just more market manipulation :)

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    [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Weird headline that omits the stated reason for the halted talks, i.e. Israeli ceasefire violations in Lebanon and Gaza.

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