Yeah, even from a non-accessibility standpoint, they're severely lacking. Text replacement shortcuts, mouse automation, it feels like a nightmare when you long for the control Windows users still have over their systems.

I've been using the Speed of Sound appimage for voice input, but it's just basic whisper to text on a global hotkey. I can get mouse control via python but only relative positioning. I tried to hack in some dead reckoning going to a bounding corner and coming back out but it's super cagey with accelleration which i'm not willing to turn off.

You're not an edge case; there are lots of us out there who would use a proper input api.

I agree that Wayland has massive accessibility deficits but it certainly doesn't help if the talonvoice developer shuts down attempts to improve the situation with "Wayland is not supported.".

Every DE apart from GNOME, KDE Plasma, Cosmic and a couple of obscure tiling WMs is still based entirely on X11. We are still a very long distance away from abandoning X11.

not a single one of those compositors implement the entire API surface you need.

Aegis has requested that those of us who wish to not see Talon on Linux die out do the following:

• Do not, for any reason, discuss Wayland support with him;
• As a community, gather together, and successfully implement the entire API surface needed for Talon on GNOME, KDE, and wlroots,

At which point a new Wayland backend will be considered for Talon.

I agree that it's not up to Talon to implement the missing APIs in the compositors. However, I think the dev is doing a disservice to the users of Talon by not adding wayland support (ie making the calls to the APIs Talon needs to function). If Talon used those wayland protocols, users could point to the software and say it's "not working on compositor because the compositor is missing wayland protocols".

IMO its a much easier sell to the compositor people when they know a useful piece of software is actively trying to target those APIs.

That being said, I sure hope the situation improves. The state of accessibility on wayland is pitiful.

The only touching point I ever had with accessability Hardware was a steelseries sentry (tobii eyetracker rebranded) out of novelty for my stream back then.

This was a very interesting read, stay strong mate! <3

Use-case for having a functional desktop?

Talon Voice sounds to be an interesting thing.

I think wayland developers could be further motivated to implement support for input accessibility tools by telling them it would help a lot for automation software too. Accessibility software can help the healthy users too, like in a form of a password manager that automatically fills out forms. Or like AutoHotkey or many other tools known from windows.