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[–] 84 points 5 months ago (35 children)

Any tldr? I hate watching a video of something that, probably, can be summarized in a single fucking paragraph.

I'm also not always able to watch videos compared to just reading an article

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  • [–] 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (18 children)

    On June 10th any game purchases people made through Amazon's Luna service will be removed, with no refunds. On June 3rd they're ending the "bring your own library" feature where you could link to certain outside accounts (GOG, etc.) and get those to stream on Luna.

    There's more about Buy button shenanigans and digital ownership, but that's the part the headline refers to.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Say what you will about Stadia, but at least Google gave everyone full refunds when that shut down.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Yup, and in some cases where applicable they also gave you the keys to specific publisher libraries, like I got Assassin's Creed Origins and Odyssey added to my Uplay account with my saves intact right before Stadia shut down.

    You can hate Google for lots of things, but when it comes to Stadia they handled it right.

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  • [+] -8 points 5 months ago* (13 children)

    This is where blockchains can be useful. Buy once, valid everywhere always with a little support.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The string of bits doesn't have to be part of an expensive blockchain though, it can just as easily be a generated uuid. In either case, the technology relies on multiple parties honouring your claim.

    Hell it could be tied to an email address and nothing else.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yes it needs support, as almost all blockchains do, they are public consensus models. All it needs is for a token to connect to a specific piece of media. You prove ownership of that token and the streaming service honors your ownership. You move steaming services? They still honor your ownership. Likely also needs legislative support to enforce honoring the token and enforce studios to provide same access to all distributors.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm torn between not wanting universal DRM and wanting to break up platform specific DRM.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    I think there are 2 types of drm, one is invasive and the other is permissive. Everything needs some sort of Auth and permission drm, and usually it sits in a company dB and if they go under or remove it, you lose Auth. I think that type of system can be better under a blockchain model, moving universal ownership to a decentralized ledger. Services still must recognize the ledger as valid, but then no single provider is the arbiter of your ownership and Auth.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    do you store entire game binaries and assets in your fucking blockchain? fucking 150gb games in the fucking blockchain? how fucking big is this thing? who hosts it?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    No, it seems you and many others fundamentally misunderstand that a blockchain is a distributed ledger as primary functionality, not a data store as such. It stores proof of ownership, that you purchased it from an authorized registered distributor, that's it. Just to be thorough, all ledgers require further external consensus for functionality.

    In this case, a service (who stores and sends the big file) must recognize your token as ownership. What this solves is that when movie x is bought from Amazon and moves to Streamio and then moves to Paramount, you can load your token into Paramount and Paramount can see your token was created by warner brothers, so they can legally serve you Blazing Saddles without contacting Amazon or Streamio, which since has gone out of business.

    Today, when they move licenses or whatever else happens, you lose whatever you bought. With a distributed ledger you automatically have proof of purchase to any entity that is able and willing (or legally forced) to use that ledger for validation, and no single entity can just erase your ownership like they can and do today.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Cool, a proof of ownership database.

    Doesn't do a damn thing when the owned data is removed or when the host decides they don't care about that particular period of ownership database.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It allows you to easily move to another host which isn't otherwise possible. Your criticisms are endemic to all media, so are moot. You personally don't have to stream, you can buy a physical copy and rip it and store it locally, be my guest.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    why would there be another host if they dob't receive compensation for serving me the content I already paid someone else for?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Just FYI, it's a fun mental exercise to dream up I suppose. I don't have all the answers and if it were easy it'd already exist.

    You have to subscribe to the host. Your token gives them legal authority to get it and stream to you. In the original example, you can buy from anyone, and the token is auth'd by warner brothers and ultimately they got paid for it. In theory, the original distributor auths the token and gets money for their product directly from consumers instead of via corporate license or profit share. The difference is, any host would have legal authority to stream it and in theory they could get it from any other host in the network at that point, not just the original distributor, because you have a valid ownership token. This means they cannot cancel on you or force you to move hosts, like they can today. And again, it requires both a tech and legal framework to work, but it is fundamentally different than anything that exists today. You'd be legally free to cache a copy if you want, since you own it, or just cache it from your subscribed streaming host. Nobody should care how you get it, just that you are allowed to have it and you paid for it and you pay for streaming service if you want to stream. The service itself should be vastly cheaper, because they don't have a large media cost, just network and storage costs. The host network would likely have to run on some version of torrent with chain Auth integration. The original distributor can't be the final arbiter of ownership nor the only host or expected to host forever, as they could dissolve and media could end up in limbo. Again, every detail isn't needed, we're not solving this over night, but a distributed ledger of ownership is step 1 of how you buy something and have everyone have even a chance of knowing you own it without both a central authority and the ability for them to unilaterally take it away. This could apply to your copy of Robocop and your stock in Amazon.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You have a string of bits. If the service shuts down that wont help.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Really appreciate GOG's model instead, just give me a locally installed executable that doesn't depend on a storefront.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Doesn't apply to streaming media. You're free to cache your media if you can store it, since you own it, but that's not true of all people and all media. How does steam verify you own something from gog if gog shuts down? They don't unless a distributed ledger exists, then they could.

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  • [+] -70 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    If you can't be bothered to watch or find an article yourself, I can't be bothered to summarise 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Without the context or summary finding info is going to be a crap shoot and potentially a waste of time. Meanwhile the person posting the vid, who has the context, could simply provide some of that in non-video form. Even just a one line summary.

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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    We're on !videos@lemmy.world , not world news or something. If you wanted articles, don't go to a video community. Simple as.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Maybe but context is useful regardless. Improved posting standards just makes for a better community.

    Also this post popped up in all feed so it's not like you're an isolated little pocket.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah let's just give more views to YouTube. Shut the fuck up with your shit attitude bud.

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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    "I'll go to a video community, open a community post, complain that a video was shared and demand others summarise the video for me".

    And I have the "shit" attitude. Sure bud

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    They knocked off kurzgesagt's style and made it look so clickbaity. So gross.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I'll defend Infographics here. These guys do a great job with their content IMO. Yes, the titles and thumbnails are always kinda cringe but they have been putting out good stuff consistently for years and do so without AI. They always get shit for their titles but the content itself is way better than what you'd expect usually.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That's good to know that they aren't just using AI to mimic Kurzgesagt and that their content is legit. Thanks.

    I might give them a try but I really can't stand clickbait titles and thumbnails to the point I just disregard them outright in a futile effort to discourage such behaviour.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Yeah playing the clickbait game is one thing, but they're outright hoping to trick people into thinking they're another channel. It's the only reason I clicked through (and immediately backed out)

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago

    and people wonder how steam does so well.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Streamfab FTW

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    There has to come a point with this shit where you just roll your eyes and blame the people who were dumb enough to invest in this shit, again.

    Hell, this isnt even the first time Amazon has taken away games you purchased on Amazon.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    Yup. I point anyone interested to slsk. I share 7000 movies on there, couple hundred series, 400k songs. Nzb and newshosting is also very nice.

    I'll never buy another digital item like this unless I'm desperate.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Yep. I've had so many digital CDs and game downloads I've bought on Amazon (not recently, long time ago), and amazon basically went "Welp, we're not carrying this shit anymore, fuck you its gone" so all the games I paid for, gone and can no longer access.

    All the music I paid for, gone and can no longer access.

    Digital downloads are a scam, digital goods are not owned goods as long as you need to have someone elses server be accessed in the process.

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    Not mine. I've got my library locally.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Just to save you a click and a minute... the headline is misleading. They're talking about certain games on the Luna cloud service (whatever that is), NOT your Kindle library or anything else.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Scamazon doing Scamazon things? Don't say it be like it do!

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