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Before anyone gets too cocky, remember that signal strength drops off at the square of distance. Even this tiny blip of range generally pales in comparison to the background radiation. We're still almost invisible to our own technology at any serious distance.
For a reference, see how absolutely difficult it is to talk to the Voyager probes. The signal they receive is absolutely tiny. (20 billion times smaller than what it takes to run a digital watch, see the Deep Space Network for what does the talking).
If any aliens have heard us, their technology already outstrips ours by orders of magnitude.
And if their technology outstrips us by that much, would they even notice us?
Notice? Maybe. Care? Lol, no.
Not care like an ant colony a few thousand miles away or not care like an ant colony in my kitchen?
Unless they need resources.
what resources do we have that wouldn't be elsewhere, in likely greater abundance/concentration?
latest estimate is there are 6 billion earth-like planets in our galaxy. and 200+ confirmed temperate rocky planets we have catalogged already out of 2000 ID'd exoplanets.
what resources do we have that wouldn’t be elsewhere, in likely greater abundance/concentration?
Our women, duh. Do you not watch movies smh
We don't have to be unique, we might just be the next stop that has the resources. Maybe they're supernaturally interstellar and can move on. Maybe they're barely interstellar and can't afford to skip. Maybe nearly every earth-like has life and it's all deemed lower-ranking than this interstellar society. Maybe nearly every earth-like has life but this interstellar species has no anthropomorphic mammalian qualities and they don't care. There's no reason to beleive we can negotiate with aliens when humans largely do not respectfully negotiate with other species now. Hell, we don't negotiate respectfully between ourselves
Soil. Go look around for soil on any other planet. There isn’t any.
There might also be a lot of value in studying alien intelligence. We don’t know because we’ve never met any, but imagine doing so is a serious way to discover something new about how the universe can be understood at all.
Edit: by that, I mean the taxonomy on our phenomenology. There’s nothing ontological about feeling “good” or “bad,” nor “confused,” “scared,” or “horny.” Not even of those “aha” moments when you figure something out.
We have hundreds millions of years worth of systems evolution in our head, creating a damn fine survival engine. Hell, it even helps us feel a little like we understand the universe and how it works. Surely theres not just our way to do that, and aliens could be interested in our way.
... human resources?
spoiler
(I can't find the actual scene where they explain how the aliens used the Hitler Berlin Games broadcast because it was the first really high-power transmission, but got as close as I could.)
There are around 20000 stars in that little 200-light-year-wide dot.
https://www.pas.rochester.edu/~emamajek/memo_star_dens.html and 1pc≈3.3ly.
The Fermi Paradox doesn't seem that paradoxical when you see a map like this. Civilizations could be screaming into the void for millenniums without reaching the other side of the galaxy. Signal strength drops fast too. How would would ever distinguish a faded signal from background noise?
Currently reading through the 3 body problem and it touches the idea that maybe we shouldn't scream into the void.
Too late for that. Early antennas threw radio waves all over the place.
I was under the impression they became static in a light year or so.
So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
200 light years radius is for radio signals to reach someone. 100 years radius for possibly receiving a signal back.
And that is if they received our signals, are able to identify that they are artificial signals out of the background noise of the rest of the universe because the signal degrades and gets weaker as the broadcast expands, they decide to send a reply back (even though they just recieve chatter at that point, not intentional communication to them), and then actually sends us a signal back. It's no wonder that hasn't happened yet.
There's around 10-15,000 stars in a 100 light years radius. The chance that any of those stars have habitable planets with intelligent life with the technology to receive and send radio signals and is listening for extraterrestial signals and can discern those broadcasts from background noise and would reply to chatter... that's a small chance. For context, we have only been explicitly listening for and sending signals intended for extraterrestrials for 64 years ourselves, so an identical civilization 100 light years away that received and replied to us immediately would still have 36 years of transit left on their reply.
200 light years radius is for radio signals to reach someone. 100 years radius for possibly receiving a signal back
So I have more bad news, the strength of our radio signals is not very strong either so by about 20ly, they fade into background noise so no one would be able to pick them up at all. (could be a lot less than 20ly too, possibly 5 ly depending on the signal)
What's also neat, is that this diagram won't need updating any time soon. Maybe in a hundred years, we can swap the 2 for a 3 in the label. 🥴
This is an approximation, right? Because there's no giant cosmic mirror that lets us see our galaxy from far away like this?
Apparently "the first audio radio broadcast of voice and music occurred on December 24, 1906, when Canadian-American inventor Reginald A Fessenden transmitted from Brant Rock, Massachusetts. This historic transmission, heard by shipboard radio operators along the Atlantic Coast, included Fessenden playing the violin solo of 'O Holy Night' and reading from the Bible, marking the beginning of amplitude modulation (AM) broadcasting".
I wonder if that's what aliens would hear as the first sign of humans?
the first audio radio broadcast of voice and music occurred on December 24, 1906
And the strength of that signal would have been so weak that even at a distance of only 5ly (maybe less), background noise would drown it out completely.
No one knows we are here.
only 99,800 years to go. optimism!
Further than I would have guessed!
@zedgeist True, but somebody could do a cool count-up "clock" like the "debt clock" that would count the stars that have heard our transmissions, so far.Call the start 1926, though we had some largish transmitters earlier. By '26, I think they were all over the world, broadcasting every direction.So call it 100ly, and get a count, then advance by 1ly/yr. The number of stars would go up as the cube of time.
Soo, the grey slury inbetween is more rock-heavy, while the blue stuff is mostly hydrogen?
Generally speaking, clouds of hydrogen are usually pink.
"I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to any surviving Autobots taking refuge among the stars: We are here. We are waiting."
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