The internet you grew up on isn’t dying.

A commercial veneer glued on top of it is.

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[–] 23 points 5 months ago (5 children)

For the less technical, this is why we can lose instances (lemmy.sdf.org is the most recent one I noticed), but the fediverse will never go away: the fediverse is protocol-based (ActivityPub) like email.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Isnt Lemmy.sdf.org back in the last week or so?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Ah that's awesome, thanks for letting me know. I post to their Seattle community instead of the one on lemmy.world because I prefer to move things off default instances, so I'm excited to get back on my "posting stuff to communities no-one frequents" bullshit.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Thank you for doing that. That's actually very important to the overall health of the Fediverse.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This was worth reading. It made me a bit nostalgic for a simpler time when the net seemed untamed and full of possibility.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Great read!

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Feels like most people here will agree with it, but the average person vegging out on instatok is harder to reach.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Fuck, his music is good.

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  • 32 comments in c/technology@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] [S] 23 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I just really enjoyed this essay and wanted to share it. Cheers, nerds.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    The interesting thing is the fediverse and the tildeverse are extensions of that older internet.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago*

    Tildeverse.org its a group of servers that are community run that are like shell accounts like you would have back in the day. They are modern OSs but you have an account and you share time on that system like you did with a mainframe.

    They have IRC, websites, .plan files for updates via finger, mailing and news servers.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Just did a quick dive on it. It looks, and this is just from a quick search, to be similar to fediverse but likely older than our instances here, and has a basing from old school public access Unix systems. Kinda neat might dive deeper to get better understanding.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    You got it. SDF and others were doing this for decades. During the pandemic, someone was bored and put a Linux VPS online and asked random people if they wanted shell accounts. Surprisingly, it sparked some really nice small communities of people looking to learn or do little art projects or whatever.

    The main difference from the fediverse is a complete apothy for growth. No one is under any illusion large numbers of people are going to want a shell account, and no one wants to sysadmin that anyway. Its also expected that individual tildes will have a finite lifespan, unlike something bigger like SDF with their formal organisation.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I wonder what that is too. Perhaps that’s ‘today I learned’ but I’m not sure on that.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    A tilde is this ~ thingy, but that's the best I got

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    The tilde is a shortcut for home in most shells.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    You may know it by command prompt or terminal. The shell is what's actually executing the commands you type in there. Bash is the most commonly used one for most Linux systems, zsh is the default for Mac in recent years, but there’s others like fish, etc.

    The shell you use also determines the syntax so if you use one, scripts meant for another might not work.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The statement that the new commercial veneer is dying needs to be backed up: YouTube, TikTok, Spotify, and Reddit still drive traffic, despite the slop, and because of the commercialization. Meta and Facebook are doing fine.

    I like what he says about the underlying protocols, but it is missing a bit of nuance: Google has been instrumental in the evolution of HTTP; SMTP became a very different game when Google (via Gmail) pushed authentication; DRM made it into browsers thanks to Google and media companies.

    Commercial companies may be benefiting from open protocols, but they are also pushing them in new directions. The stack the author remembers still exists, but it has been changed by that commercial "veneer".

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    This was a great read. Thank you.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Good read, good share. Thanks uniflashmob

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I was thinking about this today. The reason why everything sucks is partly enshittification, but also everything has been gamified. “Get this stupid award for liking…?” Why? I just want to mingle, chud.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I am on the same side of the issue as this author and I should be reading this and agreeing. But I disagree with nearly every statement, god this is such a bad essay. I think it does a terrible job of making its case.

    The cherry on top for me is the author making a fucking RSS reader.. I swear people in this space do not understand why its dying. They keep doing the same things over and over again instead of trying to actually fill the gaps. The solutions back then were solutions for the time, we can take them and improve them.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    To be fair, it's an interesting approach at RSS reader. It's not like the rest.

    It dynamically ranges the flow of content based on the source type and urgency. Breaking news are on top, but only for a few hours. Long reads stay for longer. After a while, old content disappears as to not overwhelm the user. It also applies different settings to news outlets and personal pages. So, this is one of the most advanced takes on RSS I've ever seen.

    But alas, only available for iOS.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Hopefully the rest of the boring internet will let me read text in the lower half of my screen.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Ok, that’s the first thing I bookmarked. Whatever that bookmarks functionality is.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Was thinking about this the other day. And while the big players absolutely suck, I think we also share some of the blame by congregating in a small handful of sites and giving them the power that they have. Back in the early wild west days, it was more common to have a personal website and not just use Facebook. We ran our own forums or used usenet servers and IRC or other self-hosted chats and not Reddit or Discord. The only things that weren't usually small or locally hosted were sites for images and video; and that's still kinda hard today.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    its hella annoying to read this paragraph pop up shite. tried ironfox reading mode but also failed.

    there is some irony in writing about the old internet in an overstylised unreadable format.

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    [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    I feel at some point these people will be living in a cottage with minimal internet activity and we will have no voices left. It feels like a clock is ticking and if we cannot drum up enough attention then it will be dead forever.

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    [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Thank you! It's an inspiring read. Also, damn, I want that RSS reader app!

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  • RIP Abandonia

    My childhood

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    [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    "Veneer"

    That, Verily, is the second time I View such Verbiage. Though the Verbose extent I remain to Verify, I hope it is of Voluble read, and not the Volume of prose to be of Vain poetic Value.

    (Sorry, couldn't hold it; but will be reading it when I get the time)

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Took a peek at the article, and it is bothering me as I'm a fast reader, or at least faster than the article draws text to seem more impactful.

    So to those that also read faster, a tip, quickly scroll all the way to the bottom and then back up to load most of the text.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    You almost had me until you started trying to sell me something.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I don't like the neologistic use of "federated" while describing old protocols with server-to-server communication.

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