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[–] 101 points 5 months ago (16 children)

Even the headline is wrong. Jobs have already started disappearing due to AI.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I did some AI training a couple of years ago. Turned out I trained the AI to do what I was doing.

    Fool me once...

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    What job were you doing that AI can do it?

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    It was fairly basic, just analyzing audio tracks and extracting the dialogue from them to text. Simple stuff for AI now.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I think your job might be safe. AI has been doing speech to text for over a quarter century. It's been bundled with Windows since XP. And nobody uses it because it has all the same problems that modern AI has.

    https://youtu.be/kTefnhbg0Ig

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    Well yeah it has but it really sucked at it till things like Whisper came along. You really had to train it to specific speakers and even then you'd have to manually go over everything.

    Now running the heaviest whisper model and then an LLM to fix obvious mistakes and you have the same quality a human contractor would deliver. Except it can do a day's work in 5 minutes.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    I would love to see an AI trying to my job. It's useless at almost every aspect except for seeming like it knows what it's talking about.

    So the higher ups who never know anything will listen to it, implemented it's dumb suggestions that are either unworkable or actually illegal and will burn the company to the ground. It would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact that I would be out of a job.

    They want a new financial management solution (currently they're using some ancient thing on SAP) they've looked at a few solutions but they don't like any of them because they all cost a lot of money since they all go with the subscription model these days rather than just letting you buy the software in one big payment. They have actually considered letting an AI right some software for them. Should be fun.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I'm told that AI can't actually replace humans, so presumably those jobs will be back in short order.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They were just layoffs in disguise, so they wont be back for a while.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I think they'll all come back after public sentiment seems to lean towards, "I'll take what I can get and keep my head down, if it means I can afford groceries." Then, they'll be able to hire back senior specialists at a massive discount.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I work in healthcare as a nurse. I can't see AI doing this. Esp. with ACA satisfaction scores. I still have patients with old flip-phones that don't really know how to turn them on or make a call.

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  • [+] 45 points 5 months ago (16 children)
  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah - there's a fairly significant game of The Emperor's New Clothes going on, as the new set of impossibly wealthy assholes insist on pretending they're not impossibly wealthy assholes and instead try to force society into accommodating them, apparently entirely unaware of the simple fact that all they're doing is hastening the demise of the civilization that birthed them and on which they're little more than grossly destructive parasites.

    And that's not an opinion - either mine or anyone else's. It's a simple fact that's been borne out by history over and over throughout the ages, and will be again, no matter how many comforting lies people tell themselves and each other.

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  • [+] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The thing with the data centers is that the goal is entirely different from anything we've been told.

    The key is that Google is implementing a system that allows people to get the information they're after directly from them rather than clicking theough to a website. That's undermining ad revenue, which not only threatens the existence of the websites but threatens Google's existing ad-based business model.

    So it can only be the case that they're pivoting to a new business model.

    And the key to that is the data centers.

    Their goal, I grow more certain nearly every day, is to effectively privatize the internet by driving independent sites out of business, so that they (and their handful of more or less equally wealthy and powerful competitors) become the only source for all of that data they've already stolen.

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  • [+] -10 points 5 months ago* (9 children)

    Hey everyone, check out how edgy and dismissive this guy is!

    God, not listening or thinking is so cool. How do you maintain your ability to not engage with the discussion topic while still thinking you have something to say that's worth listening to?

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  • [+] 10 points 5 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

    Yeah, and he's quoted once to make the point that the fact that someone like that, and someone like Bernie Sanders agree on AI hurting workers, shows that the anti-AI backlash is cross partisan.

    Your righteous ignorance is just anti-intellectual trash.

    Read the full article, then critique it and him if you want, or keep your mouth shut and don't judge a full article because it's opening line quotes someone you despise when you don't even understand that the context is not validating or praise worthy.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah, and my point is that your point is anti-intellectual horseshit wrapped in righteous indignation.

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  • [+] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Lmfao, so now Lila Shroff, staff writer at the Atlantic, is a white supremacist?

    The quote was being used to make the article author's point in the context of the article, it wasn't a feed of quotes the author found inspiring from people they think you should pay attention to.

    By your logic Robert Evans of Behind the Bastards fame is a white supremacist because he's quoted them before.

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  • [+] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    More righteous excuses to not read, think, or use your brain.

    If I say the word Hitler, you stick your head in the sand and pretend they don't exist.

    Good luck changing the world by ignoring reality and not listening to people. I'm sure it's a rational strategy that doesn't play directly into the openly published playbooks from Russia and China that detail how polarization is how you break society.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That’s why these pedo losers all built bunkers

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Jobs have already been disappearing. Entry level programming jobs have been wiped out.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Good luck finding senior programmers in a decade eh

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Jobs are already disappearing. What is the author talking about?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Curious what you were doing and how?

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It was an analytical style role, and I guess they figured the machine would do it better than me. But before I lost my job I had checked what the machine was pulling, and the answers weren't accurate

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Got it, they thought the could let someone ask the AI to sumnarize or analyze the data. And you can tell it was making it up.

    They need the human to know the difference. I hope it bites them in the ass. Sorry you had to lose a job for it, but they dont know what they are doing.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    What I have noticed thispast year is that higher ups aren't really understanding the total cost of AI solutions. They go use sites to have conversations with the most powerful LLMs not realizing that your company is not going to afford that level of tech. Your current IT infrastucture can't add a few dozen high power/high cost systems to train the model for your business's nuance. It is never a build it and forget it problem.

    Additionally there is a skill of humans being easily retrained for other tasks. Creating a Jack of All Trades will net you a great workforce with people filling roles when you have medical leave, turnover and business pivots. AI isn't general enough to make this change without major redesign.

    The only "problem" with this amazing skill is that companies no longer run on the idea of employee retention. You get promoted by jumping ship. Working harder doesn't make the headway in a company like it used to 25+ years ago.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    I work in IT and as such I work in AI because there's no getting away from the hype in my line of work.

    But I don't believe in it and I think it can be very harmful for society. I see a few nice things about it (people with disabilities for example) but mostly negative.

    To be honest I'm looking forward to the news of datacenters going up in flames. Which I'm pretty sure will happen when people start losing their jobs en masse.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Or all the water in their state (see Utah) or raising the temps so high their power bills are the size of a mortgage.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Tbh theres probably not going to be water in utah by the time the data center finishes construction. And utah will likely be uninhabitable.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Don't even need to imagine yourself; this is one of the foundational pillars of the worldbuilding in the cyberpunk genre.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not really getting raises for a couple years, despite being a can do high performer. So now I just use AI to do mediocre work, and only work around 3-4hrs per day.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    There are two big industries that are going to be the canaries in the coal mine, and be the first to take serious hits - Driving, and Fast Food.

    Both Uber and Lyft make it clear on their websites that their future is an autonomous fleet, and they're testing heavily. Waymo has been testing for months, and is starting to roll out in many cities, including mine. Every one of those driverless cars is replacing a human job.

    Further, many of the people driving rideshares, would be listed as unemployed, if they weren't able to eke out a meager living driving. Take away this job, and it isn't like they have a lot of options to pivot to. If they did, they wouldn't be driving. Those lost jobs are going straight to the unemployment rolls.

    And what about truck drivers? That is another serious driving industry that is going to be fully replaced before long. Again, those drivers don't have a lot of other options.

    Fast Food is the other one. Every fast food corp has been testing a robotic kitchen for years now, and I'd be surprised if even a single one isn't ready to roll out tomorrow. They are already getting us ready by both phasing in app use, and kiosk use, but also masking the kitchen area. It used to be that you could see the kitchens in fast food places, but new ones are hiding the prep area behind walls, where they can't be seen, because soon they'll all be automated.

    Fast food is a traditional first job, or a second job, or a second income, or a supplement to retirement, etc. A LOT of households rely on fast food jobs, but within a decade, most of them will be fully automated.

    Further, what will happen is that a robotic warehouse will load an autonomous truck, which will go to fully automated fast food outlets, where it will be robotically unloaded, stored, and eventually prepared, and served to a customer, without a human touching it anywhere along the way.

    The tech to do all of that exists right now. The only reason they haven't done it is because they know the consumer backlash will be enormous, but they won't be able to resist the lure of all those new profits for too long, and somebody will finally take the plunge and be the first. They'll get savaged in the media, but then everyone will follow, and 10 years from now, every fast outlet will be automated, and millions of jobs will evaporate.

    It's inevitable.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Fast food is already as automated as it can be. Replacing cooks with robot kitchen is looks good as a management dream, but anyone who tried it quickly discovers that you need industrial robots, and they are fuckng expensive, and you need engineers anyway to maintain them. So you are replacing cheap cooks with outrageously expensive engineers.

    "But no", some ignorant CEO says, "we're not assembling cars, we don't need pneumatic robot arm that can lift 10 tons". Yeah, you still need a robot arm, and it's just a miniaturized industrial robot, not any much cheaper.

    But robot kitchen exist, and they are actually very profitable. Go to your nearest grocery shop. 99% of items on the shelves were produced by a robot. Everything in a plastic wrap, everything in a jar, was produced on a conveyor. Even fresh produce involves some kind of automation.

    So robots won't fry your potatoes, because french fries have really short shelf life. Otherwise they totally could, but hiring a cook is cheaper.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    And what about truck drivers? That is another serious driving industry that is going to be fully replaced before long. Again, those drivers don't have a lot of other options.

    Truck driving would have a major knock-on effect as well from diners and truck stops, which are often major cash centers of smaller towns.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    As those people move on to other jobs, there will be growth in other areas. This is part of the normal ebb and flow of the economy. Rather let's make sure everyone is generally being taken care of. We can't put society in stasis for fear of someone somewhere losing out.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    What money are they going to use to move from their home in nowheresville to somewhere where jobs are

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm not saying leave them out to dry, but we shouldn't do labor just for the sake of it. If we can automate it and we save labor overall, that's how society advances. The real question is who gets the benefit, and how we take care of people's needs, not if it's a good idea to improve labor efficiency

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Would love me some Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism, but looking how things are progressing socially, I have my doubts that things are going to end well for anyone worth less then a few million.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Will there be enough jobs for all those displaced in those 'other areas'? And how long is it going to take for those to materialise?

    Traditionally society has overcome these type of changes. But they weren't as wide as this one (AI has a huge range of usecases) nor was the change as rapid. And as AI grows into new areas it will continue to displace jobs and human activity.

    I really doubt this will turn into a net positive for society and if it does it will still be a very hard transition for at least a decade.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    Lol please. America already gutted its entire industrial base to the point where there's a permanent shortage of blue collar jobs, and most people are working crappy wages in a service role for whichever megacorp owns the entire market.

    AI could take over tomorrow and there wouldn't be enough people to care, despite getting utterly screwed over.

    It might only get ugly if purchasing power collapses and causes solvency. Otherwise it'll just continue to degrade into an infinite debt economy which is basically just generational slavery like a significant portion of exploited labor and human trafficking already is.

    Don't worry though, there's a million other problems that'll probably pop the bubble first anyway lol.

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    AI hasn't taken anyone's job.

    The Epstein class use AI as an excuse to fire thousands and artificially lower wages to keep the plebs in check for the next few decades.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I've personally seen multiple departments eliminated because they would rather send the jobs to Indian sub contractors backed by AI.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Right so it was outsourced to Indians. Thats old news.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    It wouldn't have been without AI. They believe telling them to use AI is cheaper.

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    It's different this time because previously, the folks in India didn't know anything, the execs here believe they can fire people with years of experience and replace them with Indian techs using AI and be just as good.

    It will still blow up in 1-2 years, but that's the idea for now.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Don’t name your kid Al

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    With no system to benefit the unemployed workers, means that there is no more government of the people. usa will have shifted into a dystopic technocracy and the "food wars" of the poors will be a good betting scenario for all those tech bros experiencing "ennui". I'm confused about the slash "s" here but will add it anyway. /s

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I wonder if there is a way to impose a tax if use, or better production, of LLM tokens. And that money could be spent ob social security.

    Of course this is NEVER gonna happen 🤣

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Since we're dealing with hyperbole, and I know this will sound preposterous, but what if had companies and the filthy rich pay their fair share of taxes 🤣

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Bullish on scrap yards. Death to clankers.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago*

    Not saying the answer is space communism, but the answer is space communism.

    Jokes aside, worker displacement is only a problem if displacement means not landing in an economy, a second parallel economy must be made to capture people so we don't all just succumb to homeless/moneylessness.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I actually like using AI in my workplace to rid the need for tedious data entry. But i realised that if I told people about it, the management might see that they may not need me anymore so i won't teach anyone how to efficiently use AI.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Years ago, my wife took a job as the lone secretary to a lawyer with a high volume of paperwork, permit applications, etc. The previous secretary, who had retired, didn't like the computer, and just typed everything by hand.

    My wife automated all the forms so she could jump from field to field, and get the paperwork done much faster. So fast in fact, that he decided not to hire the second secretary, and just dump it all on my wife. Then he turned out to be an absolute monster in so many ways that my wife just up and quit one day, which was fine with me.

    But she had never told him about her automated forms that she created. He just thought her increased productivity was due to using the computer. So she told me that she made those forms to help herself, not him, and dumped all of them before she left, and he never knew.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I had a shitty job for a while. A good chunk of my day was taken up with just running this one report. A coworker and I would alternate weeks.

    Well I automated it. It still took me half the day to run it, but that's because I needed breaks to play with my daughter and pet my cat.

    When I quit, I sent the automation to my coworker. No sense in her wasting her time.

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  • [+] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)
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    I imagine lots of ugly social media posts promising ugly things but probably not a whole lot else, since "Revolt" isn't a clickable item on a menu. I'm speaking only as an American - we've become a people who buy bags of pre-shredded lettuce and pre-grated cheese. You can't expect much action from us if it takes us very far from a phone charger.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Loss of jobs is a distraction. People can get other jobs. If jobs can be automated cheaply, they should be. The problem is how the economy treats people who need to switch jobs and what it means for their income. Automate truck driving, please, but make sure ex-truck drivers are taken care of and can move on to other jobs that need doing.

    Edit: I'll make an exception for jobs that need human interaction. There is a limit to automating things like care or service jobs because most people also need human interaction. And give those people decision making power, too, not this "computer says no" hellscape customer service workers have to go through

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    lotta of the doom and gloom from this thing is just symptoms from the worst underlying aspects of that unique US-dystopia. where most working class are 1 or 2 missed paychecks away complete ruin. the states/cities have better safety nets than others but across most of the country...might as well be non-existent outside of the handful of scraps the feds throw down (when those arent being actively fucked with by republicans)

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Nothing will happen.

    Frogs in a pot of water being brought to a boil.

    Those in charge will handwave away the job losses and blame some other factor for the economic downturn other their own shortsighted greed while they cry for their bailouts.

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