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Nothing in the article explains why this should be considered an "emergency" situation. And which part even? The people fleeing part? The people moving to Seattle part? Is it overcrowded? Whats the emergency?
appreciates the city's relatively decent cost of living
Ummm
It actually makes more sense than it might seem upon first glance, at least in the context of people moving from Texas.
Texas' minimum wage is the federal rate of $7.25/hr. Washington's is $17.30/hr, while Seattle specifically has it even higher at $21.30/hr
Cost of living in Seattle is around 55% higher than in, say, Houston Texas, but its minimum wage is about three times the amount.
Add on to that the fact that Seattle has an expansive public transit network that costs much less than owning a car (about $108/mo for unlimited public transit rides on all buses, sometimes paid for entirely or in part by your employer), and there are definitely ways people can drive their cost of living down more if they want to.
Hopefully the state will rezone the land near the light rail stations for.high density housing
They are!
HB 1491 has already been passed by the Washington legislature, but will only get adopted in 2029 (read more details here), and Seattle's Mayor, Katie Wilson, is trying to push through additional upzoning and denser housing requirements that don't just happen near light rail stations, but near other transit routes as well. (read more here)
My property taxes went down considerably going from Texas to Washington (though I did not move to King County). I did buy a used EV up here though since gasoline is crazy expensive and the infrastructure is much better. Most other costs went down or stayed the same. Houston is expensive as hell.
Yeah property tax is really high in Texas because it makes up for all the tax cuts over the years and lower sales tax. I paid more in taxes for a small condo I had there that was about 1/5th of the value of a small townhouse I eventually bought here. I had kept it thinking I'd move back, but Seattle won me over and Austin became less welcoming, so the property taxes made it not worth it even as an investment with the prices starting to rise at the time. Back then the cost for small homes was about 3-4 times Austin, now it's around 1.5 to 2 times the cost from what friends have shown me. Looking at current average cost it looks like Seattle is about 875K, Austin is about 510K and Houston is about 260K. I don't know about rent now, but at the time it was about double Austin's in Seattle.
But other than property tax, which is just generally ridiculous in Texas compared to many other states, the cost of living here is significantly higher. Food (I miss HEB prices), gasoline, electricity, trash, car registration, rent/house prices, internet service (screw Comcast and their virtual monopoly, though it is getting better lately), almost everything was more here when I moved from Austin but that was over a decade ago. One thing that was cheaper is public transportation, though. I do appreciate that, living in the city.
You bought property in Seattle proper? Wow.
though I did not move to King County
People in Houston usual just live 1 hour away from Houston, but that still counts as Houston except according to people in Houston.
Oh I see. Yes. Good choice.
I’m happy you got out of Texas. Welcome to Washington!!!!!!
My family was already here, I'd been trying to get here for over a decade. The election just made it my top priority.
That was the other person. Agreed with congrats to them
I lived in Houston proper (outside the loop). I had shell casings on my street.
Why Seattle though? Genuinely curious.
2SLGBTQIA+
These acronyms are getting absurd.
In my head I just read it as 'queer' nowadays, though I don't really care what others prefer to use.
GSRM or LGBT+ seem good enough. Guessing its a result of people trying to be exclusionary and people feeling the need to explicitly include those groups, but still think GSRM still would be clearly inclusive of most of those groups anyway?
I’ve never even heard of GSRM, so that’s another new one for me.
The first time I heard of it, it was just GSM, but I guess then romantic minorities got added?
No I think gsrm was the standard in Europe I still have an old gsm phone I think
This is how I know I’m getting old. Can’t understand what the dang kids are saying anymore!
Its easily been over 10 years since I heard of GSM, after I was done with high school at least. No clue when I first saw GSRM used tho.
2SLGBTQIA+ is a result of being more inclusionary, and it is the standard for the Canadian government. The 2S at the front represents two-spirit people, which is a term that Indigenous people use (also why it was placed at the front, as a sign of respect since they were here before everyone else). The QIA+ are literally additions to include queer (which is a catchall), intersex (who were previously medicalized and excluded), and agender/asexual/aromantic people (who have historically been excluded/ignored), and the + obviously is to include anyone who doesnt feel reflected by the other letters. This is literally the least exclusionary way to do it.
GSRM has been attempted many times but framing people as minorities when providing allegedly inclusive terminology is generally out of fashion.
The acronym system is anti queer philosophically relies on strict taxonomies and fundamentally hierarchal exclusionary while not telling us why these people are lumped together their issues have so much in common its really liberally stupid and as as queer I take offense
I'm aware of what it stands for. But using 'A' as a catchall for several identities means aro-spec identities are still frequently neglected, allies try to claim it just stands for them instead of ace, aro, and/or agender people, so its still ends up being exclusive in practice while just being unnecessarily long given its failure to achieve the intended goal.
The plus sign being where it is probably contributes to it being seen as a catch-all, even though it's not supposed to be; the acronym goes LGBTQIAA...
Idk, as an ace person, I personally appreciate it. I don't really care if allies try to claim it because they are wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I propose we just all adopt the "+" sign. If we're going for ultimate inclusiveness, why not just get rid of the individual letters entirely? Otherwise we'll just keep having new groups that want to tack on another letter since new sexual-orientation/gender identity categories seem to drop as regularly as the NOW That's What I Call Music! CD series - many of which are indistinguishable from each other.
Queer people are also unhappy about the acronym situation. Promise.
I don't know why people in & out of the community can't understand that the +, in LGBT+ means all the extra letters, Q, I, A, 2S, and any future ones that may arise, it's future proof. "+" is the most inclusive you can get. I literally refuse to refer to the community as anything other than LGBT+. Our history of names was terrible, this is the most simple.
I was just going to post this comment except my phrasing was gonna be
"2SLGBTQIA+" Jesus fucking Christ when will it end, what does this even mean
The fact that they used a quote from a trans woman in an article about trans issues already puts them above NY Times
Seattle is good. Tacoma is cheaper and also good. Probably not cheaper than Texas, but everyone is welcome.
Been seeing more trans people in my travels, but idk if that’s due to influx or people just feeling more comfortable.
I somethings fantasize about moving back to the Puget Sound area. I wouldn't want to pay Seattle prices so would probably be looking at the South Sound. I lived in Tumwater for a year and it was bland but Olympia is liberal and a bit weird so that's probably where I'd be looking. Bonus for the still-employed: state jobs, bonus for me: already got a paid-up membership to the food co-op there.
Check out Kitsap!
Excellent suggestion. Used to love driving/riding that way and stopping in Poulsbo at the Poulsbohemian coffee shop .. which seems to be closed now! WTF! :-( I remember liking Poulsbo's small-town hippie vibe and it's about the same size as the small hippie town I grew up in in Vermont. Bremerton was not cool at all (military vibe) but maybe it's changed. I used to imagine the Peninsula to be the home of rednecks and wealthy retirees but I'll have to check out the R.E. scene this weekend on Zillow. Tnx.
Bremerton has started to revitalize the downtown, pedestrianising streets and such. Its better than it used to be. I've been wanting a lightrail to replace the 303 running down east bremerton over the warren ave bridge to improve the traffic situation with the shipyard.
Austin is definitively less weird than it used to be, and it makes me sad. People are people, dammit!
Fuck Joe Rogan
Please come to Seattle, it is delightful here and more lgbtq people are always welcome.
In your opinion, is there an area in Seattle that is close to Austin in vibes? Like a combination of a tech scene, with music and art, and still a sprinkle of weirdness.
Your best bets for music and art are probably still Capitol Hill, Fremont, and Ballard. When tech came into Seattle, it ended up pushing a lot of the artists out. Seattles not very weird anymore. Honestly, Portland is probably more in line with the Austin vibe than anywhere in Seattle.
Austin is much less dense and the public transit is much worse, so I didn’t get to see much when I was there. Mostly it seems like decent music venues and a reasonable bar scene? I like Seattle better than everything I saw of Austin except the Mexican food.
I haven’t spent time in Austin, but Fremont’s motto is “keep Fremont weird”. The whole city is a tech scene, so you’ll always find nerds anywhere you go. Each little neighborhood has its own different vibe.
Houston has so much going for it what with all the petrochemical factories providing spicy air for you and all the crime, heat and flooding adding adventure to your day.
I saw the writing on the wall seventeen years ago and at 40 moved with my husband (we're a gay couple) and our then 5 yr old daughter to Northampton, Massachusetts. We had lived in Texas our entire lives (I'm from Ft Worth, he's from Abilene), so we were no strangers to racism. But the racism that came out during Obama's first presidential run told me it was time to flee. Texas was certainly no place we wanted to raise our daughter. We wound up moving to Vermont a couple of years later. And eventually we settled in upstate NY in 2016. We prefer the more liberal New England states but cannot afford them. Upstate NY gives us a reasonable cost of living, along with all the lgbtq state protections that put our minds at rest. Well, as 'at rest' as one can be with Cankles McTaco Tits in the Oval Office right now.
I'm a middle class white cis male and I fleed Texas last year. I can't imagine what it must be like for LGBTQ people there.
Yeppppp. I personally know three people who moved out of Texas specifically to get away from their abhorrent legislation.
Most people find Houston, Texas to be hostile.
Just driving on Westheimer is enough to make rational people leave.
Here’s hoping all the talent like Victoria abandons Texas and makes the Zodiac State insolvent.
Honestly Texas is probably effectively insolvent long term regardless, short of a massive shift in economic organization that entire state will start looking like an even shittier version of those random half abandoned towns in Idaho.
Most people find Houston, Texas to be hostile.
The Montrose area of Houston used to be one of the safest and liveliest Out LGBTQ communities in the country. It still has a large gay population, but the inflated real estate prices and over-development has driven lots of low income people elsewhere.
Just driving on Westheimer is enough to make rational people leave.
The traffic certainly sucks. But idk what you mean beyond that. Westheimer has a ton of cheap apartment housing and a huge multi-ethnic community of young professionals
It's a great place to live when you're straight out of college
"Trans people. We are legion. Expect us."
I guess a single digit percentage of millions is technically legions, so the math checks out.
We need to move as many people as we can over here and fast. Not just Seattle, the entire West Coast should be a haven. Oregon is. I'd skip Northern California to Central Oregon though. Also anything east of the Cascades is bat shit right wing.
I have to take issue with the title. Lesbians are not trans, gay men are not trans. Isn’t it time to stop the Alphabet Soup that is LGBTQ?
what’s wrong with it? cis lesbians and gay men are fleeing texas too is the point of the title
9% of transgender people report they’ve actually moved to a different state since November 2024, as have 5% of all LGBTQ people
I don't know if you're trying to bait an argument, or just openly being an asshole. In either case, you should know quite well that a woman who loves women is a lesbian, and trans women can indeed be lesbians.
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