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Just got this popup whilst trying to open a website using archive.is (lemmy.world)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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[–] 171 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

I would assume this was trying to deliver malware if I ever saw it

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    • [–] 124 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    reCAPTCHA protects. your privacy and does not share your details with this website or app.

    We foxes promise not to let any predators into the henhouse.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    They said it wasn't shared with the website. They didn't say it wasn't shared with anyone at all.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago

    Reminds me of those privacy policies. "We don't sell your data!" in the big type. When you dig more into the fine print... they don't! But they do "share it within their partner family of companies". And then THOSE companies sell it. Or sometimes, sell inferences made from it, even if not sell the data.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    A some recently website someone shared showed, there are some bits of data you automatically share with websites without them asking.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Did I just have a stroke, or is this comment incomprehensible to everyone else too?

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Sorry, I was like half asleep. I can’t find it, there was a website I saw shared somewhere on Lemmy that showed you all the info you automatically shared when visiting a website and it pointed out stuff that they collected without even asking for it. The implication is that your device gives websites data involuntarily; the website wasn’t asking for it.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Coveryourtracks.eff.org

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Funny that it just doesn't work with JS disabled.

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    • [–] 90 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Ah yes, my very real human ability of scanning QR codes. Truly an inherent characteristic of humanity.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Þe stated reason is a lie. Þis isn't about verifying anyone is human.

    But you knew þat.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You know what else doesnt stop AI? Adding characters that even the most basic AI can easily filter out.

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    • [–] 80 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Any service implementing this shit will be on my list of never using it again. Even if my bank do such shit I'll be moving to another one. Zero tolerancy. This is beyond the limits.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I agree, and this is strictly because Google wants to kill forks like Graphene OS. Anybody who implements this is going to get their tab immediately closed on my browser and I'm never going back. I will have zero tolerance for this.

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    • [–] 59 points 5 months ago

    Prove I'm human? Sure... [closes tab]

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    [–] 58 points 5 months ago (26 children)

    I don't have a smartphone and I keep running into more and more of these QR codes. If I, as a citizen, am required to get a smartphone for these QR codes, to do citizen-like things, then it should be a utility and prices for hardware and services should come way down.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    You get by without a smartphone? I was really late to get one but you just can't function in today's society without one where I'm at. In the Heart of Darkness here.

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  • [+] 17 points 5 months ago* (14 children)
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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    I am switching to graphene OS first chance I get, it should be this summer, damn the consequences.

    I lived most of my life without any type of cell phone let alone a smart one. I'm going back to our roots, to reject this techno fascist bullshit it's only downhill from here on their gear.

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  • [+] 9 points 5 months ago (9 children)
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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    The general crowd doesn't seem to care about the trends that make graphene common sense and I suspect that Google would take measures if it ever did like they're currently doing to fdroid.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    In at least some sectors, even this enshitified EU should be forced to stop Google from being anti-competitive towards graphene to some extent.

    The US is fucked but I don't know about the rest of the world necessarily, kind of a free-for-all right now.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    i'm glad to know this!!! do you have any more info?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Switch to GrapheneOS anyway. If a website forces verification with a phone that passes strict Play Integrity with no other options, then don't use it, or use a $30 Walmart phone if you must.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Not even way down, actually provided. You dont pay for wheelchair accessibility or braille on the signs.

    I mean we all pay for it with taxes and increased prices, but the wheelchair user isnt forking out personally.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    My entry level job requires that I use 3 separate apps. How do you get around that?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Probably by not having an entry level job. The companies love to make money off people any way they can, but potentially losing a highly skilled, long term trained employee would be worse than losing the income from the apps' data they can sell.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    In china it's the norm. And I was feeling the same way, until I realized china takes way better care of its citizens vs USA. Everything is convenient, healthcare, etc.

    https://youtu.be/nRW_wh5mIek

    This YouTuber goes into pretty good daily life of avg Chinese users.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    In rural areas, don't many Chinese not have running water? That doesn't sound like they are taken care of.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    I don't know the answer to that, I've only been to Beijing.

    But overall, id argue with healthcare, public transit, building a new hospital when covid hit specifically for it, it seems like they're doing better than nickel and diming them to death like USA. It costs money to breath here. Their EV setup is off the charts too. Even Ford CEO complimented it and drives a Chinese EV.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-ceo-jim-farley-xiaomi-tesla-chinese-ev-2026-4

    Chinese new chargers - https://youtube.com/shorts/KhoRJQUA6dA

    https://youtu.be/TKMWZ5c1PMQ

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    I know a few people that live in rural USA and tap the ground for free water. Waste water from shower goes on random land and brown water into septic and get emptied when full.

    Super cheap compared to my city water.

    On the flip side they have complete shit internet access while I got fiber.

    They have to drive a ways (1 hr) for groceries and I got like 5 within 10in drive. Hell I could walk 20min to a convenience store or two.

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    • [–] 54 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Btw I suggest URLCheck on F-Droid, it registers as a browser and allows you to check, clean, un-shorten links and so on before opening them

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    • [–] 51 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    That's what google's been using to lockout non official Android forks like GrapheneOS. You can click on the eye icon at the bottom to get the regular captcha though... for now.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    How does it stop those from scanning it?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    Requires Google Play Services, from what I've heard, meaning it will only allow people who have phones pre approved by Google. I assume they also made some Apple service also acceptable. Can't cut out their friends

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    • [–] 40 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If you click the eye icon at the bottom you can go back the original captcha. For now at least.

    Also I have no idea why archive.is uses reCAPTCHA from google! You've set up monaro as your only donation system so clearly you care about privacy but you haven't implemented an open source captcha?

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    • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Isn't scanning random QR codes super risky? This is just begging to be abused....

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    • [–] 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Send an email to their webmaster if you haven't already. The more of us, the better.

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    • [–] 28 points 5 months ago

    Good thing that everyone has a smartphone as a secondary device. God forbid you would not be able to scan a QR code, what are we, the middle ages?!?! (and I'm not even starting on the absurdity of why you would want to do it, that's another point)

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    [–] 53 points 5 months ago

    crosspost it to c/actually_infuriating

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    [+] 24 points 5 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Ugh, yeah. Cloudflare too. I hate it. It's like 2/3 of sites I try,

    Blah blah needs to review the security of your connection before proceeding.

    Then it goes to an enedless reload loop. Or gets stuck.

    I went to a site last week that belonged to a human rights organization. It's a ranking of countries by different aspects like economic freedom or w/e, and some articles about their methodolgy. Couldn't load it due to fucking Cloudflare. Cloudflare does not deem me worthy to read about human rights.

    Why? Because I try to protect my right to privacy. The irony.

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    • [+] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)
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    • [–] 22 points 5 months ago

    Yeah I'm not picking up my phone to use your website. Bye.

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    [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

    Yes, I "like" the surprises scanning a unknown QR code. I hate this crap, same as this short URLs, it's not different from clicking on shady ad banners. A trustworth website don't need this shit, hiding its domain.

    https://www.expandurl.net/

    The QR code point to https://recaptcha.net/qr/mMs9S9g8

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Your QR code scanner showns you the URL before you choose to open it, right? So I don't really get the comparison to short URLs. As with any normal link, you get to see the link before you choose to "click" the QR code after you scan it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Ah, yes, dark patterns are okay because they can be worked around. Got it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    I don't understand, why is a QR code a dark pattern?

    Edit: I have now read the entire Wikipedia page on dark patterns, I didn't find one that would match.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Because a qr code is not a url. You might get one flashed, but it's just like a 40 page eula: the amount of people who are going to pay attention is an order of several magnitudes smaller.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    We start here: You see an URL -> if it's a shortened URL, that's problematic, if it's a normal URL, it's ok you can click it

    Now we add a QR code to the equation: You scan a QR code -> You see an URL -> if it's a shortened URL, that's problematic, if it's a normal URL, it's ok you can click it

    But you don't agree.

    Why is adding the "You scan a QR code" step making a difference? You compare looking at an URL to reading a 40 page EULA, I don't think 1 line of text is comparable to 40 pages of text, but let's go with it. Some people won't read it, I definitely agree with that. If they click links without reading then, then they click links without reading them. Again, why is adding the step of scanning a QR code before the link shows up, making anything different? You can read and choose to click it or not all the same, whether the link appeared due to scanning a QR code, or whether it was on web page.

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    • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That really stinks. Does the audio version do anything different?

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I did not try it and have closed the window after the popup because it was too ridiculous. I was able to find an article about this, looks like the rollout started a week ago https://cybernews.com/privacy/google-qr-code-recaptcha-requires-approved-phone/

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    This is beyond insane. 'An approved device'. So, my device has to be approved by a fucking company. This is where all this bullshit has led. Companies now get to dictate the life of every person in the world. I'm going to be spending a lot of time away from the internet moving forward. Thank God we have Lemmy.

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    • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    These are so useless. A barrier that is likely already broken by bots.

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    [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I just scanned it and now the entire nation of Bangladesh has my phone number

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    • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    oh no, it’s already happening… I must be ready

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