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[–] 7 points 6 months ago

I've been a fat fuck since I was a kid so guess I'm good.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Which Adult? Can we stop them from doing that?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    i felt fat, a few months ago at 82kg and change. I know, I know but hear me out: I'm not into homework: counting calories, apps tracking weight, just... no. I decided to try one meal a day.

    The first day my body was like ' oh you die today if you don't eat immediately' but I persevered.

    The following days I couldn't really feel hunger, I just knew, come 4 in the afternoon I'll eat as much as I want and stop.

    I'm down 4 kg, complementing with walking and calisthenics every couple days, highly recommend.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I just had a pint of stout and a burger for breakfast (beer festival!).

    Am I gonna make it?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Guess I'll die

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    This makes sense at many levels -

    Weight gain is a symptom of impaired metabolism, of which 96% of western adults have some degree of impairment. Most metabolism issues are driven by excessive carbohydrate load, which drives elevated blood glucose, which drives elevated insulin, which drives hormonal imbalances (i.e. weight gain).

    Cancer cannot metabolize fat. Adults with impaired metabolism, with excessive carbohydrate intake, with elevated glucose levels are filling their blood stream with the very fuel cancer cells need to thrive and out compete their bodies immune system.

    T2D is another 4x risk factor for cancer (i believe for the some logic as above)

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    You aren't making much sense though. It's like if you took endocrine physiology and smashed it into a story about a single villain.

    Weight gain is typically merely about CICO, barring rare genetic disorders. With an unimpaired metabolism, if you eat excess calories you will gain weight. No hormonal imbalance necessary. This is basic energy expenditure(Calories Out) to calories consumed(Calories In, thus CICO.)

    Actual metabolic syndrome afflicts 30-40 percent of Americans. Not anywhere near 96 percent. Some people are just fat and diet and exercise will absolutely work metabolically to control their weight. Some people lack of willpower. Gastric bypass again proves that with caloric reduction their metabolism, in most cases, is fully capable of sustaining weight loss.

    Cancer metabolism is also flexible. It does not exclusively depend on glucose and is not “starved” by removing carbs. Fats and amino acids are fair game for many cancers. Gluconeogenesis alone creates sufficient glucose to feed cancer.

    4x is quite an exaggeration....

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Weight gain is typically merely about CICO, barring rare genetic disorders. With an unimpaired metabolism, if you eat excess calories you will gain weight. No hormonal imbalance necessary. This is basic energy expenditure(Calories Out) to calories consumed(Calories In, thus CICO.)

    CICO is technically accurate, but really describes what happened after the fact, not why it happened. Plus humans are not closed systems, have many inputs and outputs not accounted for in human level CICO, nutrition labels can be off by as much as 20% for calories. Humans are NOT bom calorimeters, we don't burn our inputs to heat water (how calories are measured). Please have a look at the carbohydrate-insulin model of obesity https://lemmy.world/post/33254443 - Basically We are hormonal machines, elevated insulin drives obesity.

    Actual metabolic syndrome afflicts 30-40 percent of Americans. Not anywhere near 96 percent.

    I'm sorry, I misremembered the number, its actually 93% with impaired metabolic health - https://hackertalks.com/post/7340607 - https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jacc.2022.04.046 - I'm using impaired metabolic health and not metabolic syndrome, because the key problem is hyperinsulinemia not necessarily the cluster of clinical signs used for metabolic syndrome that can take years to manifest. Impaired metabolism indicates elevated insulin.

    Some people are just fat and diet and exercise will absolutely work metabolically to control their weight. Some people lack of willpower.

    They are fat because of the hyperinsulinemia, without the elevated insulin they wouldn't be fat (See the carbohydrate-insulin model of obesity above).

    Gastric bypass again proves that with caloric reduction their metabolism, in most cases, is fully capable of sustaining weight loss.

    50% bypass patients regain the weight in 2ish years https://doi.org/10.1007/s11695-007-9265-1 , because just restricting calories didn't teach those people how to eat, and how to fix their insulin. If your only eating junk food, a gastric bypass by itself can't fix your insulin (which is the core problem of obesity)

    Cancer metabolism is also flexible. It does not exclusively depend on glucose and is not “starved” by removing carbs. Fats and amino acids are fair game for many cancers.

    Glucose, glutamate. By the cancer as mitochondrial dysfunction model - https://hackertalks.com/post/13010967 - https://doi.org/10.1007/s10863-025-10059-w TLDR here is the energy consumption and fermentation of cancer cells and show that only glucose and glutamine can produce ATP in cancer cells. we see that cancer cells are NOT flexible and can not metabolize fat.

    Gluconeogenesis alone creates sufficient glucose to feed cancer.

    100% Correct, but no need to feed cancer with exogenous glucose that is not nutritionally essential. You can't STARVE cancer by removing carbs from food, but you can stop helping it accelerate.

    4x is quite an exaggeration…

    3.42x, but writing 4x is just easier. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00592-017-0966-1

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Cardiometabolic function isn't the same as metabolic syndrome. Cardiometabolic function would be like a spectrum or perhaps a map. Metabolic syndrome would be the section of spectrum(say red in the rainbow) or area on the map (like a swamp) that designates the "danger zone."

    Here the term "optimal" is used and that's around 7 percent as having optimal cardiometabolic function. That doesn't instantly mean 93 percent are impaired. The other classes are **intermediate, which is half of people, ** and lastly poor which was ~44 percent.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41568-021-00388-4

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40170-020-00237-2

    Fat can be oxidized for ATP via β-oxidation (look up FAO or catabolism, or see above links.) Fat → fatty acids → β-oxidation → acetyl-CoA + electron carriers → electron transport chain → ATP.

    Example: Palmitic acid, a 16-carbon fatty acid, undergoes 7 rounds of β-oxidation producing 8 acetyl-CoA total. After everything runs through the Krebs cycle and electron transport chain, you end up with roughly 106 ATP. Which is a huge amount compared with glucose(1 glucose is about 30 ATP.)

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Cardiometabolic function isn’t the same as metabolic syndrome. Cardiometabolic function would be like a spectrum or perhaps a map. Metabolic syndrome would be the section of spectrum(say red in the rainbow) or area on the map (like a swamp) that designates the “danger zone.”

    Here the term “optimal” is used and that’s around 7 percent as having optimal cardiometabolic function. That doesn’t instantly mean 93 percent are impaired. The other classes are **intermediate, which is half of people, ** and lastly poor which was ~44 percent.

    I'm afraid your anchored on "metabolic syndrome" when I am referring to impaired metabolism, since that is driven by hyperinsulinemia - and thus demonstrates a epidemic of elevated insulin in the population at large which is driven by persistently elevated blood glucose... which is exactly the environment cancer needs to thrive.... And not optimal does mean a degree of impairment by definition.


    Thanks for those links, they do demonstrate cancer has a very interesting metabolic plasticity, but they do not definitively show fatty acid ATP synthesis, your Shilpa review even indicates FAO is down regulated in a variety of known cancer types... However, I hope when you read my references you just missed the section in the above paper, which addresses your rebuttal:

    https://doi.org/10.1007/s10863-025-10059-w - Questionable Assumption 5: Fatty acid oxidation can provide sufficient ATP production through OxPhos in cancer cells

    Regardless if Fatty Acids have some role to play, can we agree that glucose is very much the favored fuel? So even if we disagree on metabolic mitochondrial dysfunction as the basis of cancer, can we agree there is no benefit to feeding EXTRA glucose into a cancer patient?

    After everything runs through the Krebs cycle and electron transport chain, you end up with roughly 106 ATP. Which is a huge amount compared with glucose(1 glucose is about 30 ATP.)

    Yes, this is addressed in the Seyfried paper above, the problem is in dysfunctional mitochondria glucose pathways while less efficient are massively upgraded... i.e. why the PET scan works.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I guess if there's more of you, there's more stuff that can go bad.

    Also, that which makes you fat might be bad for you. (Alcohol etc.)

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Weight? Or fat?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Spiffy 🫤

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    isnt this well known for a decade, especially with type 2 as well.

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    [–] 40 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Hate these studies. They're always just based on correlations, and ignores the elephant in the room: class. How wealthy you are, how wealthy the area you live in, those factors have the highest impact on health outcomes, but the mainstream media (which is owned by the ruling class) will never be honest about that. So they just find correlations that let them blame poor people for having shitty diets.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    You hate these studies because they don't specifically endorse your world view?

    Most of the time, these studies are looking for the mechanical causes of the problem, not the socio-economic conditions that led to those mechanisms being present. So if smoking or getting fat increases cancer risk, that will be true regardless of what's in your bank account.

    Also, these are cancer researchers. Dealing with the structural poverty that leads to the adverse health outcomes is way outside their expertise.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Without doxing myself, I have expertise in this topic. It's not a matter of my world view, it's a matter of science and communication.

    It is very unlikely that human adiposity leads to increased cancer risk directly. It is correlational, not causational. Human adiposity itself, isolated from compounding factors, has a complex relationship with health outcomes, and not at all the linear correlation where more fat = more bad that the mainstream likes to pretend.

    We know that certain foods, particularly animal products, especially cheaper animal products, lead to cancers, heart disease, etc. This is most likely explanation for the results in this study. But yet again we have yet another study uselessly pointing out a correlation which is unhelpful for actually solving public health issues and continues to encourage the passing of the blame to those in society who have the least responsibility for their situation.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Does visceral fat not produce inflammatory substances, which might be a cause for some problems - potentially including a higher risk for cancer?
    Maybe I've read misleding articles. I hope you have some info about that.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    We know that certain foods, particularly animal products, especially cheaper animal products, lead to cancers, heart disease, etc.

    It's very very difficult to get obese on a well balanced healthy diet composed of mostly vegetables.

    But yet again we have yet another study uselessly pointing out a correlation which is unhelpful for actually solving public health issues

    What do you mean? This is very helpful. It says that if you want to reduce cancer incidence, you should work to decrease obesity. If we only did science that produced direct results that require zero political action to be effective, no science would get done.

    Besides, its not as if it's a giant mystery what causes the obesity epidemic, it's just that undoing that would mean some massive regulation in the food industry, changes to zoning, increases in public funding and a dozen other areas, and other things that aren't a mystery, but are very politically unpopular.

    continues to encourage the passing of the blame to those in society who have the least responsibility for their situation.

    The paper absolutely does not say "Don't want cancer? Don't be a fatty!". The article does do, but that's not the fault of the researchers.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Body mass index and risk of over 100 cancer forms and subtypes in 4.1 million individuals in Sweden: the Obesity and Disease Development Sweden (ODDS) pooled cohort study https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(24)00201-1/fulltext

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    None 👏 of this 👏 shit matters 👏 if food 👏is unaffordable👏 and healthcare 👏 bankrupts your 👏 household.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (9 children)

    Eating less 👏 always costs 👏 less than 👏 eating more.

    Does this make the point more clearly? I think it looks pretty dumb, but you do you.

    The organic food industry has done great damage to Western society by making people think you need to buy fresh organic food to eat healthy, when canned/jarred/frozen conventional food is absolutely fine as well, for a fraction of the cost.

    Yes, you will need to spend some time preparing it, unlike fastfood. But it's MUCH cheaper, less calorie dense and contains more micronutrients.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I just want fruit with actual flavor that makes me want to eat it than the tasteless shit we get now in the US

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    I was making a reference to inflation and overall food prices as a result of the closing of the Strait of Hormuz, not the cost of organic vs canned foods.

    We're way past that, at this point.

    If everything in my nearest grocery store costs $5, and fuel costs $5 a gallon, and the cost of everything else is going up, then I really don't have much of a choice of where I get my calories.

    Making ends meet is extremely difficult right now for a lot of people. I don't think it's helpful to have a response like, "but have the poors tried eating less?"

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    In the context of the article, I can only assume your point was "healthy food is expensive, that's why people are obese".

    I don't think it's helpful to have a response like, "but have the poors tried eating less?"

    No, my response was that obese people eating less will leave them with more money and less health issues. Eating canned/frozen vegetables is both less expensive and healthier than premade foods, and lasts longer so you can take fewer trips, saving more money.

    Btw, kudos for deleting that other post! I'm glad you decided to actually read my post.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    lol what.

    i grew up on that food dude. it's nasty and bad for you. what are you smoking. most of it is loaded with sodium preservatives, and other chemicals. is it better than not eating vegetables at all? sure, but it has lots of nasty shit in it.

    fresh food is superior for you in every way. other than it's convenience and cost.

    i was SHOCKED in college when I found out vegetables can taste good, instead of being disgusting mushy nastiness.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    it's nasty and bad for you.

    Example number one. I agree it's not as tasty as fresh, but often times the canned and frozen veggies have MORE vitamins and minerals than fresh, simply because the fresh one has had more time to break down.

    most of it is loaded with sodium preservatives

    You can just look at the labels and see that isn't true. Hell, you don't even need to get up, just check out Walmart brand canned or veggies online and look at the label.

    and other chemicals.

    Everything is a chemical. This is a meaningless propaganda phrase from the organic food playbook. You are literally proving my point.

    is it better than not eating vegetables at all? sure

    Uhhh yeah, if you can't afford fresh vegetables, or its not available near you, eating frozen/jarred/canned is absolutely fine. It's not bad for you in any way, and far superior to premade crap.

    i was SHOCKED in college when I found out vegetables can taste good, instead of being disgusting mushy nastiness.

    It's nice to hear that you have the option of fresh fruits and veggies. I also take that for granted, but its important to remember many people don't have that option. And they are just as susceptible to propaganda as you, so they don't buy frozen or canned vegetables because it's vaguely "bad for you" somehow in some undefined way. And they end up getting obese because they eat stuff that's much worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    Jesus Christ Gaurdian please put "an" between as and adult in your headline. I had to read this like way too many times for my brain to understand this.

    Or maybe "during adulthood"

    I can't believe this is the actual article title. Did anyone understand that on first read.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    hasnt that been well known for like decades, diabetes causes immunosuppression, and inflammation. also high fat produces alot of estrogen which has been implicated in hormone sensitive cancers.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    I stopped worrying about stuff like this ages ago once I realised I'm never getting out of life alive.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Jokes on cancer. Im already fat. No weight gain likely.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    Who would have thought that getting fat would lead to adverse health outcomes?

    /s (just in case people miss it)

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    [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    This makes sense at many levels -

    Weight gain is a symptom of impaired metabolism, of which 96% of western adults have some degree of impairment. Most metabolism issues are driven by excessive carbohydrate load, which drives elevated blood glucose, which drives elevated insulin, which drives hormonal imbalances (i.e. weight gain).

    Cancer cannot metabolize fat. Adults with impaired metabolism, with excessive carbohydrate intake, with elevated glucose levels are filling their blood stream with the very fuel cancer cells need to thrive and out compete their bodies immune system.

    T2D is another 4x risk factor for cancer (i believe for the some logic as above)

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