As if he's not in complete control of when it ends.
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His little operation convinced Europe to rearm and made Ukraine a security exporter. Now he's down in a bunker desperately looking for ways to save face before the tide turns furher against him.
Exactly this. Ukraine has started open cooperation with foreign weapons companies, inviting them to come test their autonomous systems in real battlefield conditions. Given that the rest of Europe is arming up against potential Russian hostility, the opportunity to test your new weapons against their most likely opponent is a golden ticket. My guess is a lot of these new designs are proving effective, and Putin is realizing that any more 'special military operations' will be taken as proof positive that Russia has turned conquistador and met with overwhelming force by most of the rest of Europe.
It's also possible he's just running out of troops. The last estimate I saw was something like 340,000 Russian casualties...
The last estimate I saw was something like 340,000 Russian casualties
You missed a million! Circa 1,339,190 Russians killed or injured since the invasion began.
Just for context, America lost about 58,000 soldiers in 10-12 years in Vietnam, and about 4000 on 20 years in Afghanistan.
Putin has lost 1.3 MILLION+ soldiers in a only 2-3 years. He's gone from a voluntary military, to a draft, to commuting prison sentences, to literally snatching military age males off the streets, to hiring mercenaries. He's quickly running out options for his war machine.
Their sources likely count differently. Dead only, vs. dead + wounded.
You wanna sink a war machine? It's quite easy. Just drown them in wounded troops, not corpses. Corpses don't move, corpses don't eat, corpses don't need to be cleaned or bathed, corpses don't need expensive surgery and therapy to get back to living normally, corpses don't need teams of people to look after them. Wounded troops do. Wounded troops are expensive, corpses are cheap.
Flood the machine with wounded. Make every advance so miserable and destructive to the budget and supply line that any sensible general will eventually say "fuck it!" and pull out. That's what Ukraine has been doing, unfortunately Putin isn't sensible and has surrounded himself with sycophants.
this is exactly it.
It's far better for Ukraine to blow off arms and legs than kill soldiers. The more wounded sent back to RU, especially those who can't be rehabbed back into combat readiness, the better. And the more of such people who get into RU society the better- SHOW the RU people the cost of the war. Don't let it be some abstract concept like war is to Americans.
It’s also possible he’s just running out of troops
Disturbingly some of his female fanatics -- including those in the Sakhalin islands -- are still convinced he's doing a swell job.
I also fear that he could possibly use something worse just to win.
I also fear that he could possibly use something worse just to win.
I think/hope he knows that if he uses nukes on Ukraine the entire rest of the world will unite against him faster than you can say 'dasvidanya'. Or at least that someone around him understands that...
No matter how you look at this Russia has lost and this is exactly why, even if you ignore ethics, dictatorships don't work long term. It just takes one failure like this to set back decades of work. It happens to every dictatorship eventually.
A three hour day tour special military operation.
Seems like a perfect foundation for an SNL skit: Gilligan's Island except with:
- Putin as the Skipper
- Lukashenko as Gilligan
- Steven Seagal as Ginger, the Movie Star
- etc
It's perfect for SNL due to how nobody under 30 will get any of the outdated pop culture references
Yeah with him losing because someone inside is gonna get fed up with him enough and convince gods buddy with the guards to let them just finish him off early before old age to save their own country.
Our Ukraine just straight up wins and takes control of Moscow or something idk, that would end it pretty abruptly too yeah
The comment was made in response to a question about whether Western help to Ukraine went too far. The Russian leader said: “They started ratcheting up the confrontation with Russia, which continues to this day. I think it is heading to an end, but it’s still a serious matter.”
I'm not reading that as him saying Russia are going to stop, but that he thinks that the West will stop providing aid to Ukraine soon. Considering that his Washington puppet is doing their best to destabilise NATO, and Europe in general, he could easily be hoping for aid to be cut.
So he didn't notice that Europe created an alternative NATO and just didn't invite the US?
Nope, he's smarter than that. The entire thing is just bullshit for the Russian population.
he could easily be hoping for aid to be cut.
That's just flat out wrong, European countries have shown they are willing to support Ukraine for as long as it is needed.
And have increased aid to cover the loss from USA not helping. There are also long term aid packages like the Swedish Vigen jet fighters that will ensure Ukraine is continuing to strengthen in their military capabilities.
Putin: "The war will be over soon"
Trump: "The war will be over soon"
At least the liars lies are easy to spot, because they're so transparent.
At this point, I think the war is over when Ukraine says its over.
I think it pretty much only ends when one side agrees to give territory to the other in order to end it.
Are you implying Russia has territory like Crimea to GIVE?
Russia occupies a lot of Ukrainian territory since the start of the three day operation years ago, Ukraine occupies a little of Russia's last time I checked.
I mean i whole heartedly agree that Ukraine should gets its pre 2014 borders back, but lets be realistic here that will not happen in any ceasefire today... in best case case scenario the new borders would be drawn at the current contact lines.
Wow, coming from him, that's pretty big.
Let's see if deeds follow words. I highly doubt it.
It could be mere opinion chess. Make Ukraine look war hungry in this farce some people call "peace negotiations"
Putin is a lot like his puppet Trump. He can say this "special operation" is over as many times as he likes, that doesn't make it true.
Nonetheless, this is the first time he has openly spoken about bringing the war to an end. Until now the narrative was that it will continue until complete victory. That's why this acknowledgement is a much more momentous statement than the actual meaning of what he said.
That being said, at this point I think the Ukrainians might keep the war going until they get complete victory. Although they are also incredibly war weary, so probably not.
Funny how Putin and his orange sock puppet do the same things. Maybe its those long telephone calls.
I hope he picked his favorite handgun to do what he must.
He can't end the war. He'd have to admit that 500,000 young Russian men are not fighting at the front lines, but are dead and not coming home. The loved ones are going to hang him when they find out.
Fuck, dude, they might hang him even before that, given how ratfucked their economy has become. It sounds like their bond market is just outright collapsing and he just doesn't care.
https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/articles/russian-debt-defaults-surging-quarter-193321893.html
Both countries are functionally out of gas.
From my understanding, Russia is running out of gas and their economy suffering significantly.
Ukraine is getting stronger and better defended. If they run out of money, they may be in some trouble, but that doesn't seem to be looking likely anytime soon (large influx of EU money coming soon).
Ukraine can trade small amounts of land to allow Russia to grind its self down (Pyrrhic victory after Pyrrhic victory). Eventually Russia won't be able to sustain their momentum and can be pushed back then (already seeing some evidence of this beginning).
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their economy suffering significantly.
What makes you think so?
Ukraine is getting stronger
I've seen this line repeated ad nauseam since the war started. Can't count how many predictions of a dramatic reversal fell flat. We get them at least twice a year.
Ukraine can trade small amounts of land to allow Russia to grind its self down
Russia is never going to "run out" of manpower or materials. It's the world's largest contiguous landmass, home to 150M people, and a trillion dollar economy that is second only to the US in arms manufacturing. This has always been a question of political capital. At what point does the United Russia political block sour on the war, in the same way Americans soured on Iraq and Afghanistan.
The problem with fascist states is that they can actually persist and thrive on an endless conflict. Americans wrote the textbook on the Forever War. But we've seen Turkiye and Israel and Russia all crib generously from it.
"Stronger" is stronger than before, not stronger than Russia. Which would be correct multiple times a year over the past 4+ years.
Though at this point it does look like Ukraine is probably the "stronger" of the two. That doesn't mean they are going to use that strength to grind back territory at significant loses. They care about their personnel much more than Russia.
No, Russia isn't going to "run out" of personnel or materials. They are going to see decreased production that cannot match demand, which has already happened with multiple items. For example tanks, they have run out of T72Bs and have to pull the T72As out of long term storage. There are only ~1000 72As but it'll last them maybe a year.
The articles about them producing hundreds of "new" tanks are presenting retrofitted hulls (like the T72A) as "new". In actuality, they only produce a couple dozen modern tanks a year and they mostly hold those in reserve.
For manpower, they can crypto-mobilize "small" numbers of personnel a month, but they can't mobilize the masses without creating unrest which would likely overthrow Putin (which is why they've only had the 1 mobilization early in the war). The crypto-mobilization has been able to exceed loses for most of the war. The last 5? months though, the loses exceed the number of new recruits.
Fossil Fuel sales fund a large amount of the Russian federal government budget. Even with the huge spike in oil prices due to the Iran war, Ukraine's "kinetic" sanctions has seen Russia only be able to take advantage of a small amount of the windfall. They have reduced their exports to keep their population happy, which reduces their overall operating budget. Their budget has already peaked and is set to decrease each year for the next few years (in the middle of a war), because Russia's economy can't handle it.
Those "forever wars" you mention are not continuous kinetic wars, so I'm not sure they apply in this situation.
I agree when the end of the war comes is a political question, but each day brings Russia closer to the point where they are fed up with the war and want it to end by Ukrainian acceptable standards. Putin is unlikely to every give up, but if he ceases to exist, I expect Russian negotiations won't be far behind.
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