…while some cities with world-class public transport are debating how to tackle the stubborn minority of journeys still made by car, others – particularly in the US – have become so dependent on driving that opting out is almost impossible.

From connecting commuter suburbs to persuading royals to use buses, here are four expert-backed ways for tackling car culture.

  1. Expand and improve public transport
  1. Share space with pedestrians and cyclists
  1. Focus on suburbs
  1. Understand why people drive

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[–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

“Most of the time, once people have lived with it, the opposition softens,”

That's because people, even me, are kind of stupid and unimaginative. They don't like change for primitive reasons.

Taking public transport is not something that you do because you are poor,” said López-Aparicio. “It is something that you do for the common wealth of the whole society

If only we could get that idea in people's heads.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    If only we could get that idea in people’s heads.

    Seems misguided to me. People only do these sort of society-wide prosocial actions when it is within their convenience tolerance. It reminds me of this:

    Sure, you occasionally will run into the desperately poor person working 3 jobs who also finds the time to pick up litter in their local park. But most of the time this person has more important things to think about than litter - like getting a job that doesnt require them to work 3. The idea that we need to get people to be more pro-social so they will take the bus feels a lot like the idea that we need to teach people that exercise is healthy so they will cycle more. But the reason people don't cycle, we know, is because it is inefficient and dangerous, and the reason people don't take transit is because it is slow and unpleasant. And when cycling or taking transit is faster, cheaper, safer, and more pleasant than driving, people do that.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    In general, you need to make the right thing to do easy and the bad thing to do hard.

    If taking the bus was fast and free, and driving meant you had to file a request to get a day license and drive no faster than 25mph, people wouldn't drive so much.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I feel like this article misses the big underlying problems of car dependency, and is mostly directed at dense urban centers which are already reasonably well equipped to ween off car use.

    The real issue is reforming car first infrastructure and urban design. The science is clear: you literally cannot transit your way out of an auto-dependent suburb. People's homes are so spread out that having enough transit lines and stops to cover everyone would be astronomically expensive, and much slower than simply driving.

    The solution to reforming the suburbs is twofold.

    First is to give people reasonable options for living in less autodependent spaces by allowing and encouraging denser housing development in already walkable areas, and relaxing suburban zoning to allow walkable spaces to develop naturally in these areas.

    Second is to, essentially, force people to stop using their cars via economic leverage. Gas taxes, carbon taxes, registration fees, additional infrastructure fees for sprawled suburban homes, no free parking, fees for using highways and fees for exiting highways into dense urban areas, etc. The reality is, cars are extraordinarily convenient, comfortable, and safe, and we will continue having ample roads for them to drive on for the forseeable future.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Expanding public transit is good but making living space affordable near public transit would help a lot. There are many people who would like to live in the dense city core but its to expensive. If everyone who wanted to could live close to the transit hub as possible in dense hi rises it would reduce things a lot. I myself live near the end of the transit lines as a compromise of price vs transit availability. I know folks who live farther out because its way cheaper. You can't get away from the fact that for most people housing is their highest cost. Basically if you go way out you can still find 1k a bedroom but if you go into the city center you will be at 2k a bedroom. If you lucky and can find a job way downstate in the rural areas and you could be talking 500 bucks a bedroom. Your screwed if you lose that job though.

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    [–] 7 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    The fucking disability argument again.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Mass Transit is necessary to improve the quality of life of people with disabilities.

    Car landscapes are the WORST POSSIBLE accomodation by definition as they force every single person to individually be entirely responsible for their atomic movement, there is no collective anything.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Can you elaborate on your negative opinion on disabled people?

    Your negative comment got me to thinking and realizing, that my roommate has to travel 72 miles (one way, double that to 144 miles both ways), at least twice a month, to his healthcare provider, in his truck. There's no buses around here either.

    To make matters worse, he also has to take his family members around for doctor visits. Half the time out of state. Why out of state? Health insurance...

    My job? Keep the truck running.

    My question? Why the fuck does health insurance force people to drive so fucking far? Shit, we got a local healthcare facility within bicycle riding distance, but they only cover people actively working for one of the war machine manufacturing factories...

    I do think that my question regarding the healthcare system heavily ties into the whole transportation problem.

    What do? My job is just to keep the vehicle running, not to drive it..

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I understand that you live in America and there's no hope of untangling this problem, anymore. I am disabled and I live in a ghetto full of disabled people, but in Denmark, and none of us have cars. That's my point. If you build a real city, nobody needs cars, much less the disabled.

    There is one person here in a wheelchair who racks up more daily miles than I do and I have a bicycle.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    for people with certain disabilities, cars can be a lifeline for accessing work and services

    This is valid.

    But for EVEN MORE people woth disabilities, they are unable to drive. So any system built around driving automatically excludes them.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Umm, did you even read my comment?

    My roommate is disabled, yet just 15 minutes ago had to go drive his disabled sister to the store.

    Seriously, did you even read my comment? I'm the mechanic, keeping a truck running for a disabled man, that has to drive his disabled family members around.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I think your described Problem is more the healthcare system.

    The original complaint is more that people use disabled people as an argument against public transport expansion which is bad because car centric infrastructure isn't that good for disabled people either.

    Public transit can also include a lot of disability infrastructure to accommodate for different needs. This leads to fewer and fewer people needing to take the car

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Okay. Well why the hell does it seem everyone's disabled healthcare has them traveling 30 to 80 miles away, when there's a healthcare facility literally 3 miles from us?

    Oh that's right, the disabled people aren't working for the war machine, so they're not qualified for the local facility..

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    I think that's also a big thing in the US healthcare system. It's probably more profitable for the insurance company to let the disabled people travel to a different facility instead of the closest one which is probably more expensive for the company or something.

    This kind of shit happens when people are worth less than the profit of a company.

    In Germany you decide which facility you visit if it gives the same kind of care.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, and that is valid. You are doing a good thing keeping that teuck running. And your roommate is doing a good thing driving his sister.

    But your roommate is disabled in a way that they can drive. Some are disabled in a way that they cannot drive (say, blind) and are therefore unable to drive at all.

    Perhaps your roommate's sister is disabled in a way she can't drive? In this case, how much easier would your roommate, and your (the mechanic's) lives be, not keeping that truck alive? If there were good transportation alternatives, of the ability to use closer clinics; it could be your reality.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Roommate has COPD, a bad shoulder, and the start of a cataract in his left eye. But he's still fully capable of driving.

    His sister already had a double lung transplant, and she's suffering from arthritis, to the point she can't even take care of her own hair or hygiene..

    I worry every time he drives away without me, as the truck only properly seats two. Me, roommate, his sister, and our dog equals 4...

    At least the truck seems to be running well, but it still worries me every time he's gotta drive far without me. If only their healthcare services were available within a sensible distance...

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Maybe if people could afford to move they wouldn’t need to travel so far. Middlemen and their REITs stagnating this planet.

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    [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Public transportation that works for the people it serves? Just a guess.

    Followed by a law that says you can’t be penalized for being late for things.

    Dreams, I know…

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Can someone jump the paywall for me please?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Clean air, safer streets and a stable climate are among the reasons doctors and environmental experts want fewer cars clogging our roads. Reduced dependence on fuel – especially when prices are high and most countries rely on imports – is another.

    Yet while some cities with world-class public transport are debating how to tackle the stubborn minority of journeys still made by car, others – particularly in the US – have become so dependent on driving that opting out is almost impossible.

    From connecting commuter suburbs to persuading royals to use buses, here are four expert-backed ways for tackling car culture.

    1. Expand and improve public transport

    The shift from fuel-burning cars to electric ones greatly reduces planet-heating pollution but does not make streets safer. For that, people need reliable options for getting around.

    “Making sure public transport can meet the mobility needs of residents is step one,” says Alissa Kendall, the director of the Institute of Transportation Studies at the University of California, Davis. “If travel is prohibitively slow, if it doesn’t get you to where you need to go, it will never encourage those wealthy enough to own and operate a car to stop buying and using them – and it won’t serve the needs of those who are transit dependent.”

    Sprawling cities such as those in North America are harder to connect than denser urban areas common in Europe and Asia. Even so, getting people out of cars and into buses could still save money. Free bus travel, for example, became a centrepiece of Zohran Mamdani’s successful New York mayoral campaign, but research suggests lower-cost tickets have only a limited effect on reducing car use.

    Matthias Cremer-Schulte, a transport researcher at the Technical University of Dortmund, says: “The people who benefit most are often those who were already using public transport. The ones who really matter for reducing car use – people who drive because they need the flexibility – are rarely tempted by a cheaper bus ticket alone.”

    1. Share space with pedestrians and cyclists

    As cars came to dominate cities after the second world war, public space was redesigned around them. Pedestrians were relegated to narrow pavements and cyclists had to decide whether riding a bike on the road was worth the risk to their life.

    Giving road space back to other forms of transport is one of the most powerful tools that cities have to get people out of cars. By carving out lanes for bikes, converting parking spaces into green areas and pedestrianising streets, mayors can encourage active forms of travel by making it safer and more convenient.

    Measures sometimes criticised as a “war on motorists” are often, in reality, attempts to manage limited public space more efficiently, says Hannah Budnitz, a researcher at the transport studies unit of the University of Oxford. Cars are among the least space-efficient ways of moving people from A to B, especially in rush-hour traffic, and spend most of their time parked.

    “If you only need a car once a week, you can’t have a seventh of a car,” Budnitz says. “If you only need a large vehicle that can take a trailer for your annual camping trip, you can’t have 4% of that car.”

    To avoid the public backlash that comes with reducing road space, some cities, such as Münster in Germany, have run experiments in which streets have been closed to cars for a few months to let residents experience the difference first-hand. A similar approach has been used in Stockholm, which trialled pairing a congestion charge with expanded public transport before putting the policy to a referendum. “Most of the time, once people have lived with it, the opposition softens,” says Cremer-Schulte. “Other cities struggle to do this because local politicians are understandably nervous – nobody wants to lose an election over a bike lane.”

    1. Focus on suburbs

    Cities such as Copenhagen and Amsterdam have shown it is possible to reduce car use to fewer than one in three journeys by investing in reliable public transport and extensive bike lanes. Yet many of the vehicles that remain on city roads come from outside urban centres.

    “This mismatch between where people live and where people work is what entails such big problems,” says Susana López-Aparicio, a deputy director of the urban environment department at NILU, a Norwegian research institute. “We see at eight in the morning all European cities are affected by commuting and heavy traffic.”

    Improving public transport in outer suburbs and commuter belts – areas often beyond the direct control of city mayors – can give people viable alternatives to driving. Ensuring more towns have essential amenities within walking distance – a concept known as the “15-minute city” – can also reduce the need for long journeys.

    López-Aparicio observed this in a study on urban sprawl in Warsaw, Poland, and experienced it herself when she moved closer to the centre of Oslo from a house on the outskirts. “I have not only more public transport available, but also the supermarket, the post office, the hairdresser – all these things I can do by walking.”

    1. Understand why people drive

    In rural villages, where frequent public transport can be too costly to provide, or for people with certain disabilities, cars can be a lifeline for accessing work and services. But for many others, car-free options could be prove more attractive with just a few changes.

    Understanding why people drive is the first step to reducing car dependence. In many European cities, public transport can look “quite homogeneous” at night because it is mostly used by young men who feel safe enough to travel, says Brian Caulfield, a transportation professor at Trinity College Dublin. “With deeper consultation, you can uncover the barriers that people have to using public transport, walking or cycling. When you better understand that, then you can better design alternative solutions.”

    Those fixes can range from extending late-night public transport services and improving street lighting to introducing community car-sharing schemes in villages and small towns, where some drivers rarely need to use their cars.

    At the same time, normalising the use of public transport can help challenge social stigma. In North America, for example, buses and trains are often associated with poverty and crime, while in much of Europe and Asia public transport carries far less cultural baggage.

    In Norway, the former king Olav V rode the subway during the 1973 oil crisis to encourage people to avoid driving. Today, members of the royal family are still regularly spotted using trams and buses.

    “Taking public transport is not something that you do because you are poor,” said López-Aparicio. “It is something that you do for the common wealth of the whole society.”

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