Griffin added more details to her initial post, writing, “A senior US official tells me that it was a US military strike on Iran’s Qeshm port and Bandar Abbas moments ago but added this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire.”

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[–] 248 points 6 months ago (28 children)

So, is the ceasefire over, or are we just doing an Israel-style ceasefire?

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  • [–] 113 points 6 months ago* (15 children)

    Toddler logic:

    Ceasefire means you stop, I can still do what I want.

    People forget trump has always wanted a forever war to cancel elections.

    He doesn't want to permanently fix anything, he wants it ready to blow as an excuse to cancel an election.

    Don't forget Bibi has canceled like 4 consecutive Israeli elections, it's his bread and butter and he's running this show.

    The war won't end while trump is in office.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I expect a false flag attack, blamed on Iran, to happen right before the midterms

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    He’s also likely hit the Alzheimer’s stage of his life. Combine his general impulsivity with the characteristic impulsivity of Alzheimer’s. Now add in his likely cluster B personality disorder. Anything can happen at any time.

    Reason may not be involved at all.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    So our best hope for mankind's future is...McDonald's?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I know Bibi is running the country lika a dictator, but has he really cancelled any elections? As far as I can tell, since 2000 there have been Knesset elections 2003, 2006, 2009, 2013, 2015, 2019, 2019 (again), 2020, 2021 and 2022 with the next one expected in October this year.

    Doesn't sound like there have been any cancellations, considering the members serve four-year terms, however, there have been plenty of early elections.

    Can you clarify what you meant by him having cancelled Israeli elections?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    They don't have regular elections, they can happen as often as every year.

    Bibi has cancelled due to "war" since 2022, and while there is an election scheduled this year, that has been true for every year since 2022 as well.

    Edit:

    And the reason they happened twice in 19, then three years in a row is because a lot of Israel blames Bibi for all of this...

    Very very slim wins for his parties and his alliance keeps fracturing. If he wasn't canceling elections,the wouldn't be in charge.

    And as soon as he's not in charge, his corruption trial starts and he's clearly guilty. Like there's a shit ton of evidence, he will be found guilty.

    It's a lot more fucked up than people think, there's a lot of propaganda from all sides that want to make it seem like Bibi has the support of every Israeli, when it's more like America and trump.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Right, so if I understand correctly the Knesset has voted to have an early election several times since 2022, but Bibi has vetoed those decisions to stay in power?

    Still, I'd be more hopeful this year since the four years are up and I'd assume it's not as easy to cancel a mandatory election than an early election. At least I hope so.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Since Iran retaliated I would say the cease fire is done

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The ceasefire was done when the us attacked iran

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    That's why I said retaliated. It mean the usa restarted the hostilities first

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Regardless of retaliation, if there is a ceasefire, and someone shoots from one side to the other, even without a retaliation, the ceasefire is violated.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Actually the cease fire become null and Iran has the right to retaliate, which they did.

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  • [–] 85 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    but added this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire

    What in the fuck? When Iran retaliates, are these people gonna cry that Iran broke the ceasefire?

    This is so childish.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    As a "doubter," I know not to trust a single word ever said by Trump. The only thing that matters are his actions, because those can be read no matter what he wants me to think.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    its been the american playbook since at least the gulf of tonkin which brought us into the vietnam war. its nothing new that donny is getting from his bff putin.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    If you think for a moment the government didn't know some shenanigans was up on the Pearl harbor invasion... Rest assured they knew something was going to happen they didn't expect Pearl harbor to be it.. but the powers that be we're looking for something to justify the United States entering the war

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    They are going to say that literally nothing is breaking the cease fire, unless Iran does something large enough to rile up the US population.

    The moment the ceasefire is “broken” they need to go before congress and get their stamp of approval on the war. But so long as they are in a ceasefire, they don’t have to do that.

    So they are going to continue with the war, but constantly claim that their acts of war aren’t breaking the cease fire, so they still aren’t at war, so they still don’t need congress.

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    [–] [S] 129 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    Not a restarting of the war? LMAO this administration thinks we are STUPID.

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The most significant issue with an idiot is that they will always assume that everyone around them is less intelligent than they are.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Well, a large percentage of the US is stupid.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Most Americans can't read at a 12th grade level.

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Yeah but we're talking about America where education through the 12th grade is compulsory. By virtue of passing every American with a high school education should be capable of analyzing and consuming media at a pre-collegiate level. More than half can't do it at even a sixth grade level. Half of Americans are functionally illiterate. Just look at any reddit thread or any America centric fediverse thread.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    It thinks Republicans are. Because passivity from the Republicans in the Senate is all he needs to keep the war going. I certainly have no faith in the military to reject unlawful orders themselves.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Basic article, but news snippets & headlines (sans article reading) can work the same way. As one example, we are now seeing pregnant women shun Tylenol, not for anything specific they remember, just a vague “I heard it could be bad for the baby.”

    MAGA knows what they say in brief sound bites, on repeat, can and will have similar impact.

    Not on all. But they don’t need all. They just need enough absorbing the info in this way to keep us divided and forever following different information.

    https://health.clevelandclinic.org/mandela-effect

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  • [+] 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Please, stop assuming every US citizen voted for Trump. A lot of them didn't, and you most likely have no idea whether the person you replied to is one of them.

    These kind of comments are becoming tiresome and doesn't help anyone; and they certainly doesn't bring anything to the discussion.

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    [–] 53 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire

    Fires

    "This is not an end to the ceasefire"

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  • [–] 69 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Y'all are missing the point of saying it's not a resumption. Of course it is. But they have to lie. If they admit they're resuming, it means they're in violation of the war powers act by going past 60 days. I expect the next lie will be that actually, this is a totally new military operation and the clock has reset.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    And when they need to justify the war they claim we've been at war with Iran for 47 years.

    Each lie is made for each argument or question they are addressing and does not need to be consistent with prior lies.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Neat thing about the war powers act is all the president has to do is tell Congress they need 30 more days to "wind-down" operations. Then they get 30 free more days to do whatever

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Huh. And here's me thinking a cease fire means you ceased firing.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago

    You can’t restart a war that never ended or end a cease-fire that never started

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago

    At some point, words still need to mean SOMETHING so at least a transfer of information happens. At this rate, by next year they’ll be down to pointing and grunting.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago

    This is a new operation: ' Giant Clusterfuck'

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Trump doesn't even respect the ceasefire

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    "Us firing during a ceasefire doesn't cease the cease fire." Hegseth probably

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Apparently this was a “love tap”. Only a man with the sexual history of Donny the Demented would think that.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    Sundowning Preznit Fuckwit is bigly mad because the trumpstein files are being brought up again.

    There. That is why bombs are being dropped. Because a pedo doesn't like when you shame his child raping activities.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Once Iran reports on it then I might start to believe it.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    Peace talks are progressing in the typical Israeli fashion I see

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Fake ceasefire to avoid the war powers act.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    "CENTCOM confirms Iranian forces fired on U.S. Navy guided-missile destroyers transiting the Strait of Hormuz."

    I wonder why US ships transiting the strait

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    and here begins the "second" 60 day congressionally unapproved war with iran.

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