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[–] 90 points 1 year ago (13 children)
  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I think it's still an interesting question whether this feature should be enabled by default (and most people seem to agree it should be).

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    If it wasn't on by default, the kind of person who would benefit from it wouldn't discover it.

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  • [+] -62 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The kind if person who would benefit from that shouldn't be using a computer. But then again, most smartphone users shouldn't be using a phone. How about choosing different default settings in an installation based on a central "expert" vs "newbie" setting?

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    People who find computers useful should be using computers.

    This weird idea from some linux users that only people who see their computer as a hobby and have mastery over them should be allowed to use them, and that computers should be designed exclusively around the needs of computer-as-hobby users, is absolutely nuts.

    Its a tool. It should be designed to be useful as possible to anyone who needs such a tool.

    Sincerely,
    Another linux user who cares about UI/UX and is tired of this kind of junk. It's a dumb argument, let's all stop making it please. Linux supports all your "technical user" wildest dreams, let the average people have their features and design considerations too.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Its a tool. It should be designed to be useful as possible to anyone who needs such a tool.

    Twenty years ago I might have agreed. Now, in hindsight, I can say that giving everyone access to computers & thereby the internet has brought out the worst in humanity, including mass-manipulation and authoritarian regimes thanks to people making even worse calls in elections than they used to.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The devil is in how things are made useful to users who just want to get things done. The problems comes with corporations making decisions about what users should need to understand, and what users want. There's been a lot of dumbing down and manipulation in that process, serving the needs of those corporations and advertisers and not the needs of the users.

    Software can be made useful for those who don't want or need to undertand all the details, in a good, non-harmful way. The principle of separation of interface and implementation even demands it. But our society being what it is, that largely doesn't happen, so I'm inclined to agree with your pessimistic take.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I recently installer something, and KDE showed me where it ended up in the launcher, which I appreciated, and now I'm not supposed to use a computer. Really? Thanks.

    At least me wife will be happy, but I'll need to find new work.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    What qualifies as "expert" setting can be very divisive.. for me, it would be removing this menu entirely. Or even switching from KDE to sway or similar ^^U

    But if I was the kind of people that do use this kind of menus I would probably find that kind of indication useful. It helps finding the category the app you just installed belongs to. If you install an educational app/game that teaches programming by giving instructions to a turtle in order to draw a graphic/picture (I think I have seen something like that before): which category should it be at? games? education? development? graphics?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My main point is: If the desktop environment "expert" toggle is set once, gimmicks like this one here would be disabled by default. On a default installation, with the "expert" toggle to "off", those same gimmicks might be enabled by default.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Everything in the desktop is a gimmick... remove all visible things of the desktop and only show apps. Settings can be handled in a text configuration file. Or are some of these gimmicks actually useful, even for "experts"?

    I have many times, installing a new app on a Windows Server, just gone in and seen the latest installed app and clicked on it. Sorry, that is my best example as that is where I most often use this feature - I don't install that many apps on my desktops.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago

    For every change there is an angry Linux user. Even when it is easily disabled and never a problem again.

    On the flip side - how often do you install new programs so this becomes an annoyance in the first place?

    I install something new maybe once a month or less for desktop use. I have not even noticed this blip.

    Somewhat more often in and for terminal use.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I was very annoyed when I got this, but remembered that it's KDE, and turning it off is 4 clicks. Proprietary software often doesn't allow you to turn this off (easily). Windows has this "feature", where is the setting?

    I don't think it's a productive "feature", but considering it can be turned off so easily I don't consider it a complete showstopper.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It sounds like the author of the article is more concerned with the incentive it creates for developers to push useless or sloppy updates ("impact driven development") than the UX.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    How does this give incentive for that?

    My understanding is that this only happens in newly installed apps, not recently updates ones. They are only highlighted because the user installed them, not because the developer did anything.

    It's a screenshot of the application launcher, the menu to launch apps already installed, not the software store.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Windows has this "feature", where is the setting?

    I assume youre talking about W11?

    Because the "Show recently added apps" setting is third option in the start menu settings on W10.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The main issue is UX imo. On Windows 11, it's "5 clicks", but you have to open the settings app and find the setting two submenus deep. On KDE, it's right click > configure application launcher > toggle setting > apply.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lol does that mean he should donate the second 100€

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’m glad there’s a toggle, it seems like it would actually be useful here but I’d probably turn it off.

    With that said, there’s a special place in hell for the multitudes of apps that have red notification dots all over the UI with no clear indicator as to what they’re about or how to clear them :D

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Thing like this are why there's a million settings in KDE; every dev is prepared for the inevitable "but I hate it, make it go away" complaint. Granted, this complainer was pretty respectful and threw in a donation to soften the blow. Most people just act entitled, like the dev personally affronted them with their update.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think it's a great feature. I can now quickly find the thing I just installed in my menu.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Funny little read there.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    There is a setting, but I was equally annoyed that it is on by default.

    Even more surprising - when I launched the new app miltiple times, it was still marked as new.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's probably time based.

    And this kind of thing isn't for the type of people who mess with settings. If this defaulted to off, then it would actually be useless.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If this defaulted to off, then it would actually be useless.

    Would just be the other way around with what posts you see online. Instead of OP you'd see "how can I find my newly installed apps" and the same "ahem" screenshot reply.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Except that if people don't know the feature exists, they might not ask about it. If you see the feature exists and you don't want it, it is easier to figure out how to turn it off.

    There are many feature that are turned on by default - this is just one of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I see plenty of posts here, on the kde matrix, on the kde forums, on the bugtracker asking for non existing features.

    I have no clue about the exact percentages, their motivations or feelings, so it's hard to conclude anything.

    Personally, I more often ask for nonexistent features (and i feel no barriers there) than turning off something that is on by default - which is a good sign I guess?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    But you don’t see all the people that does not ask for features, but could benefit from them. I worked IT support for years and I often suggested features or different workflow to users because I could see they were doing things that could be done easier.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Hahaha, what a great way to start tuesday morning.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I find this complaint very strange. It's a dot. It helps people find what they installed.

    But if this person doesn't need it, how would they ever see it? Most power users I know never even look in the menu, so they would never know there is a dot in the first place.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    It's all a show. Some people are just desperate for attention. "Oh, look at me, I'm OCD" as if that makes them cool or something. This person just spent €100 for literally nothing (glad it went to kde of course). Being annoyed by this is, IMHO, very stupid. It's a menu that can't even stay open. Who's sitting there sifting their menu all day long that this bothers them? 😂

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'll never understand why this "new/green dot" thing exist, but I'll also never understand why it would bother anyone. lol. Like, it's in kick-off. How often are you scrolling through kick-off? Does anyone keep that menu open at all times that it triggers your OCD seeing it? Am I missing something? Or is it just people seeking attention?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    When I install a new application, I generally run it immediately. Having the new indicator might be nice to help find it - they don't always drop into the menu where I expect.

    I agree, I can't see why it upsets the author so much. "You've installed a new app, here it is." "YYYEEEAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I know 3 people that get mad at me when I don't clear the dot for new inventory/lore items in video game menus by scrolling over each one

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's open source, you can remove it yourself BTW

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    "Go edit the source" is starting to look like the new "let them eat cake".

    How quickly you trivialize the work of the experienced kde devs that some pedestrian can wander in and mod a large project without fear.

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  • [+] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)
  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Some apps have weird names and I forget what they're called. Showing a "new" badge, even if it's just for the first few times I open the app, makes it more likely that I'll remember the app's name.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can set most KDE menus to show the "Comment" key of the .desktop files instead of the "Name" key. So "KDE Advanced Text Editor" instead of "Kate".

    Packages can come with several "programs" that aren't necessarily named the same as the package. Example: Calibre installs menu items for "Calibre", "EBookViewer" and "EBookEditor" on my distro.

    It's not about forgetting...it' about helping to quickly find what you just installed and what is all included.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I dunno man.

    It's not like linux applications ever have different app-names in the menu, when compared to the package name you just saw when installing it.

    That has never tripped me up. No. Never.

    /S

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I install graphical and visual design apps. And I'll navigate to the category by mouse. I don't memorise the names of all my apps. I'm not in IT, and I'm not working with text all the time. I'll right click the app icon and go 'Add to favourites', so I have a highly productive, 1 click access to important apps. I'm interested in usability, am not a beginner and I know my UI and settings well. I can see why people find this tiny green dot useful. It's OK if you are not into usability. But note that there are many different user types, with different needs at different times. And the flexibility of KDE Plasma makes it a really great desktop environment.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It's more about which category a particular specific software belongs. If a kid installs an educational app/game that teaches programming by giving instructions to a turtle in order to draw a graphic/picture (I think I have seen something like that before). Which category should it be? games? education? development? graphics?

    I personally don't use this kind of menus with categories, I prefer dmenu style launchers where you type to search what you need. But if I was the kind of people that do use this kind of menus I would probably find that kind of indication useful.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Are you trying to bribe the devs to remove a harmless feature that can get turned off with two clicks?! Seriously??

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    [–] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Buried the lead all the way in the comments section

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Saw it and couldn't help laughing.

    OTOH being so customizable seems to be a double-edged sword: people can customize almost everything they want but some can find that overwhelming or don't even want to spend time looking for a setting.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago*

    It seems useful to me. When you've installed a new application you can immediately see which category it was put in. That said, glad it can be turned off for those who don't like it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I like this feature because sometimes apps have weird names and I can't remember what they're called a day or two later.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    How does this have anything to do with "impact driven development"?

    I think the person is either misunderstanding the purpose of the indicator or has PTSD from seeing that kind of highlights somewhere else. This only highlights what the user has installed recently so that they can find where in the menu was it added. It's tied to user action, not the developers of the app doing any update or anything like this..

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  • Yeah I agree.

    I also don't like the green dots and new tags - I do see how it is reminiscent of the bloat on Windows start menus even if the motivation is very different. But if I recall they can be turned off so I'd don't see the issue.

    I'm also not a fan of someone donating €100 and then saying "I'll donate another €100 if you remove this feature".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    open application launcher.. upper right corner open settings... turn off the feature 🙄

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