After The New York Times reported that the administration had identified 384 foreign-born Americans as targets for denaturalization, Fox News host Will Cain asked Vice President JD Vance in an interview, “Could the law lead you to a place where we’d see accountability in the form of denaturalization or deportation from people who come to this country, legally or illegally, and take advantage of America?” Vance responded that the administration would “absolutely” be looking at how to denaturalize citizens and claimed that under the Biden administration there was a “big blurring of the lines between illegal and legal immigration.”

According to the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, denaturalization has historically been rare. It is typically only used in cases in which there is proof that a person was naturalized when they were not eligible, for example if a person misrepresented or concealed information during the naturalization process that would disqualify them from U.S. citizenship.

But in June 2025, the Trump Department of Justice released a policy memo expanding the administration’s “priorities for denaturalization.” The memo not only outlines new categories of immigrants who could be prioritized for denaturalization, but specifically warns that “the Civil Division retains the discretion to pursue cases outside of these categories as it determines appropriate.”

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[–] 79 points 6 months ago (9 children)

The official DHS twitter account tweeted not too long ago that they want to deport 100 million people. There aren't that many immigrants in the US in total, naturalized or otherwise. The inescapable conclusion is that they intend to strip citizenship even from natural-born citizens who they decide are their political enemies.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    they intend to strip citizenship even from natural-born citizens who they decide are their political enemies.

    Yeah Trump is trying to redefine to whom birthright citizenship should apply. He is actually the only sitting president to attend the SCOTUS oral arguments, and he did that over the birthright citizenship executive order. So it wouldn't be a surprise if they're including the people they don't think should have been considered natural born in that number.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Hard to see how even scotus would find a reason to betray an amendment of the constitution, which they don't have the authority to do. But they've done it for decades on other amendments so we will see. They think the republic is dead already, it's only us citizens that are still contesting it.

    But with the scotus decision to disallow nationwide injunctions, there is nothing to stop the administration, or a future one, from rounding people up illegally and doing whatever with them.

    I thought the ramifications of that decision would have been obvious but everyone is still oblivious, I'm sick of explaining it in detail.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Hard to see how even scotus would find a reason to betray an amendment of the constitution

    Roberts and his fascist cronies have done it before. Consider what they've done to nullify the equal protection clause, the emoluments clause, and much of the 14th Amendment.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Even before, before most of us were born, the 4th amendment was in effect cancelled to a large degree. The 10th obviously has long long been dishonored with an ever more powerful federal government disallowed in the bill of rights, the 5th amendment with asset forfeitures without due process of law. I am forgetting something here too.

    This court is just not pretending anymore, but this has been a half century in the making.

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    Indeed and I should add, the 6th is in effect Dishonored as well, as a grand jury used to be a check on unwarranted prosecutions, but they have changed what a grand jury is and how it operates so it is now a tool of prosecutors. That's what happens when you let lawyers run a country.

    Obviously we are just scraping the surface here arguably the 9th, the 14th, I think the 15th, I need to brush up on it all.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    The reality is that if even one of the rights can be removed, then they were never rights to begin with, just temporary privelages.

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  • [–] 44 points 6 months ago

    This is who and what the Republicans and conservatives have always been, at root.

    Never believe them when they - or those adjacent to them - start piping up with some horseshit about "true" conservatives.

    Also, "take advantage of America" - fuck this asshole. The person doing that most egregiously, and practically rubbing all of our noses in it is the pedo-in-chief and his family. They are self-dealing right out in the open and all of these fuckers should be in prison for not only the prior crimes, but the crimes they have committed just since January of 2025.

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    You can take my citizenship, it means nothing to me anymore. But you'll have to take my Costco membership from my cold, dead hands.

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    In the same way that the solution to the Tolerance Paradox is to not tolerate intolerance, such threats to strip citizenship away from naturalised individuals should result in the would-be perpetrator’s citizenships being denaturalised instead. There should be no room for such hatred in modern society.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I'll be honest, I've had thought experiments of where we go from here once this is all over. I cannot think of anything that doesn't result in either prolonged right wing terrorism or their projections being practiced on them. I'm not calling for harm, but man, they've backed themselves and everyone else into an uneasy corner.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I am on team 'fulfill projections on them'. I don't want to start a fight, but I will finish it on terms that don't suck for me and other decent people.

    If blood has to be spilled, it should be conservative.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The last year and a half has finally made me understand why "re-education camps" have been tried.

    I mean, what else can you do? How are we supposed to live side by side with people who literally want our friends and loved ones dead?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    It wouldn't take long if you removed fox news. Studies have shown just supplanting fox news with corporate media leads to rapid de-radicalization. They of course go back to that addictive fox news when the study is over, but it just shows that it can be done easier than we might believe.

    I think people forget that these peoples viewpoints are being constantly reinforced everyday, multiple times a day.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Could they start with Elon Musk, Melania Trump and Peter Theil?

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago

    Dont worry people. While the nazis did this exact same thing, its different because they spoke German.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    I'm unironically at the point where I would absolutely vote for the person who promises to exile every Trumper in this country. So...

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    No matter what, it's going to take decades to undo Trump's damage and frankly some of it is permanent. I expect no less than the next Dem President to be a full on leftwing dictator. Tear down the border wall, naturalize a shitload of immigrants, pack the court, yank every penny of aid to Israel, shutter every private prison, send the Nat Guard to Bezo's house, and delete every record of student loan debt.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    You do realize they are fixing elections. There might not be a non republican president again for some time.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'll believe 2020 was the last free election in this country.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Free ish. I strongly suspect they have been cheating in every way possible in States they control for some time. Not just in the quasi-legal ways we know about.

    Now they have infiltrated down to the county level and streamlined their process of delivering death threats to election officials and have the programming of all the election vote counting machinery thanks to 2020, and everything else, I don't know if you followed the 2020 thing but they are geared up to fix it and the Democrats have done shit to stop them, they have actively suppressed the people that actually are trying to stop them.

    We could win but we won't because we fight under the Democrats is the bottom line, they are the controlled opposition. We could take it from them but we aren't because we are not organized and they play us off each other and we are to fucking stupid to realize it.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Guess that I will try to aim for that position, if I somehow get close enough. I have big ideas about UBI, redefining how work...well, works, and how to make political powers more egalitarian. Unfortunately, I don't think they could be realistically be implemented without a huge amount of force, be it social, political, or militant.

    I want the best future for people, but it feels like it can't happen without being a complete jerk. 😞

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    That doesn't describe a dictator, that describes a courageous reformer who is taking his country back. Whether he is a dictator or not is determined by who he perceives as his enemies, how he treats them, and how he handles the next election.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    and frankly some of it is permanent

    Nothing in this world is permanent, including the world itself.

    I expect no less than the next Dem President to be a full on leftwing dictator.

    I don't want that, but I do want full rollback of every single action Trump has done, every piece of legislation he signed, every executive order, and every appointment he made, and I want to see measures put in place to prevent someone like Trump ever again gaining power.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    They're not because they defined terrorists as anything but them.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    We do NOT have to accept their propaganda. The Dems have always allowed the right to define EVERYTHING for decades. WE have to do our own branding, of both our side and theirs, and then drown them out.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Stop calling the Republicans. That was the larval stage before they morphed into their final form, MAGA. The term Republican should only be used in a scholarly, historical context.

    We need to rebrand the entire conservative movement under MAGA, so at the end, we can abolish MAGA as the genuine active National Security Threat that it is, and sweep up the entire Republican party with it. Conservatives will have to entirely regroup, and rebuild a party from the ground up, under new political/campaign regulations.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    We are past the point of doing this peacefully. We all need to wake up and arm up. I really hope I am wrong but we will see come November. Gerrymandering a district to the point of one side or the other really comes at a cost. In reality it make a lot of weak district that can be over turned if everybody gets their lazy asses out to vote. If we do not vote like it is the end of America in the midterms there is going to be violence. I can't see anyway out of it.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    I say we take their citizenship instead. Just imagine if these hatful people were left out. They might for the first time in their life experience real hardship.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    There was a time when I wanted peace among all Americans. I now no longer consider members of the Dogey to be American, and want to fight a bloody war against them. They are enemies, who wish to murder the innocent and to enslave.

    There cannot be peace in our time, because the Dogey are fundamentally evil. Until the cancers of fascism, elitism, and conservatism is removed, all the good people in America will suffer.

    Hopefully, I and many others will live to see a better America. Or Americas, as the case may become.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    They're bad people and too many folks are pretending they're not.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    If there's one thing the truly religious hate, it's people with the wrong Sky Daddy

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It's the same sky daddy. They just don't agree on the details.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    That's the irony.

    Many xtians and not a few Jews have taken issue with me online when I refuse to accept the provincial and presumptuous moniker of "[g]od", but instead, either point out it's their god (lowercase), or just use the appropriate name: Jehovah/Yahweh/Allah, because they are all the same, as all of these are the name of the god from the Abrahamic religions. Just talking about "God" with capital-G without pointing out that the god they are referring to is not Zeus or Odin or Apollo, is just accepting their framing.

    Neither xtians nor Muslims tend to appreciate people pointing out that they have basically retconned Judaism and forked a new BS (Belief System).

    Reminding them that their god is all the same god is not something they want to admit, but also cannot refute.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Asmongold, Harrison Smith, Laura Loomer and Steve Bannon are calling for the deportation of Muslims. This is a Zionist agenda.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I don’t wish death or violence on anyone, but if Asmongold fell into one of those industrial metal grinding machines I’d probably crack a smile when reading the article. Actual waste of flesh, that one.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I've been saying this to my naturalized citizens friends since the beginning: They don't even respect Birthright Citizenship, and that's for people who were actually born here. They certainly aren't going to respect citizenship granted by some other administration.

    Bottom Line: If you were born somewhere else, they want you out.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Are the MAGA idiots still saying they're only going after people who are in the country illegally?

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    There are a lot of foreign corporations operating in the US. Is this push for denaturalization only against humans?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    This is a good time to remind people of this: https://youtu.be/0YFdwfNh5vs

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    Don't worry I'm sure we can just vote ourselves out of this. I mean the disenfranchisement will be like 10x worse than the 2024 election, with people already in concentration camps.

    But surely we can vote our selves out of this. /s

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    [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Anyone calling to strip the citizenship of people, probably doesn't deserve their own citizenship

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Deported Melania.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    You all should buy guns and make friends.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    So it's getting obvious-enough that people are beginning to glean the future??

    I've been telling people about this dimension of their plan for awhile:

    Once dictatorship's instantiated ( probably the Insurrection Act ), then they'll simply require vow-of-allegance-to-Trump, & anybody who won't commit that, either is conscripted or ICE'd.

    They'll need cannon-fodder for their annexation of Canada & Greenland & Panama & Cuba,

    they'll need cannon-fodder for their Civil War Part2: confederate-vengeance,

    & they'll need cannon-fodder for their imperial-expansion throughout Central & South America.

    ICE's incinerators won't be announced or built until the dictatorship's activated, but will be added to their detention-network ASAP.

    He's going to de-naturalize .. perhaps 1/3 of US citizens?

    at least, it looks like..

    The 1-MILLION deportations per year quota that he put on ICE is their "training wheels".

    Dictatorship's version of them .. won't be so hobbled.

    I wish the left understood that social-pressure isn't the right catgory-of-game, & that they had to be hiring private-investigators to GET the evidence required for convicting the most-corrupt electorate, & then hiring the criminal lawyers required to get those convictions..

    Establishment won't allow accountability to act on itself, either side..

    so therefore that has to be done by true-independents..

    ( the architectural-bug was allowing the election or/and appointing of judges: it isn't possible to have an independent-of-political-manipulation judiciary, when you've got either elected-judges or appointed-judges, & the US's are consistently 1 of those 2.

    Therefore, political-highjacking of the judiciary was baked-in, all along )

    Whatever: maybe after it's happened, then somebody'll believe it to be actual..

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