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[–] 41 points 6 months ago (11 children)

From the article:

  • Murena (France) with /e/OS (France) on:
    • Fairphone (Netherlands)
    • Hiroh (USA)
    • SHIFTphone (Germany)
    • Teracube (USA)
  • Punkt MC03 (Switzerland)
  • Volla (Germany) with Volla OS or Ubuntu Touch (Germany)
  • Jolla (Finland) with Sailfish OS (Finland)
  • Furilabs (China) with FuriOS (pronounced "furious") based on Debian with Phosh UI.
  • Purism Librem (USA, manufactured in the USA)
  • Pine64 (China) Pinephone with Manjaro (Germany), postmarketOS (?) or Mobian (USA)

I checked the privacy policies / statutes on the websites to estimate the legal location of the projects.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Thanks for doing this.

    Also, I'm not surprised to see Canada absent from the list (as is tradition...)

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Hiroh appears to be a vaporware; looking for it now, I think it was meant to release in March and then April, websites still shows April release date but that month has come and gone with no release.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I thought Mobian was an international project?

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    [–] 40 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    First batch new Jolla phone coming in the summer. I have high hopes.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I have Jolla C and older rooted Xperia X with sailfish. I was looking for old pictures a few months ago and desided to see if those still work. They had been laying in the carage. Both are up and running (my sons play games on them now). Jolla C was released 2016.

    I have not been following them lately but I think I would consider buying one if I did not have a phone provided by employer...

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    When Motorola puts out a Graphene phone, I'll buy one. It'll be important to break the effective Google play and iOS app store monopolies

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Same but for Samsung. I like my foldables too much. The Fold 7 is the greatest phone I've ever owned.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    New Rule: non-apple, non-Google, non-Samsung

    Never have I seen so much fucking bloatware in my life. None of it uninstallable.

    Not one-time while owning a Samsung did I ever feel I actually owned the device I paid $800 for.

    New "urgent" update in the middle of video job interview at 11 AM? To install Candy Crush? Are you kidding me? Oh wait - you also removed all of my default apps like SMS, and my browser because..??? Who would ever want that?

    They're worse than Microsoft - they don't even offer a "Not now" dark pattern.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Motorola also has foldables so maybe one day in the future they’ll ship one with grapheneOS if this launch works out.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    If they release one that is as thin and light as a normal phone when folded, but unfolds to an 8 inch screen, I will definitely consider switching to ditch Android. I will miss Samsung's Modes and Routines feature, though. It's much more intuitive than Tasker. I'll miss DeX as well.

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  • [–] 81 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I can't believe it mentions the Librem 5 and absolutely nothing about its sordid history of scamming customers. Friends don't let friends purchase a Librem 5.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Some more context would be helpful (to let people make up their own minds). I've looked into PinePhone and Jolla, but I've only heard about the other brands listed.

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago*

    Sorry, I should've given something. I linked to a small taste of it below after you wrote this, but it runs deeper than that. Delay after delay for years (even pre-COVID), people e.g. having to contact their AG to get a refund on a phone they've been waiting literal years for (this one didn't contact their AG; they just waited two years for a product they never received and an additional four for a refund), hardware that's functionally equivalent to a phone from c. 2013 (plus abysmal battery life), etc. The refund stories are absolutely rampant; this is not a one-off. Honest businesses do not do anything even close to this.

    Overall not a business you want to let hold nearly $1000 hostage.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    They had an ambitious project of designing a phone from scratch and ran into complications when covid hit just like other manufacturers, causing further delays. They eventually shipped the phone, and it does as advertised.

    You can order today and it will arrive in a few weeks. It's still the best GNU/Linux phone available today (which says a lot nearly a decade after the design), can easily flash multiple distributions on it.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    They intentionally, systemically withheld refunds from customers who'd been waiting years over schedule for a phone, and I'm sorry, I didn't realize COVID-19 was responsible for them scamming their backers in 2019. Mind that the ship date announced August 2017 was January 2019.

    Fuck the fuck off with this disgraceful apologia. Either you know better and are preying on people who are less familiar, or you should know better for how trivial it is to find this information.

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  • [+] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    People who go into a crowdfunding campaign expecting either a product or a refund with no risk for just one or neither, aren't the right audience for and shouldn't be participating in crowdfunding.

    The delays and refund denials were not ideal, and perhaps they could have handled that better, but picking between complete insolvency delivering no product to anyone vs delivering the product to people who crowdfunded and pre-ordered, is the lesser of the two "evils" if people want to call it that, especially given the reality of the situation headed into COVID-19.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    People who go into a crowdfunding campaign expecting either a product or a refund with no risk for just one or neither, aren't the right audience for and shouldn't be participating in crowdfunding.

    Okay, even if you assume this caveat emptor bullshit excuse to be the case: these refunds were not nearly limited to crowdfunding campaign backers. These were people who saw Purism advertising a finished product that they could preorder/order. This is the same position as if I'd go to Fairphone's website, order a Fairphone 6, never receive it, request a refund, and either get denied repeatedly or ghosted indefinitely.

    You can't "buyer beware" a legally established American company advertising a product. That's just called a scam. And that's already generously ignoring the crowdfunding backers they scammed by giving zero transparency to.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Its amazing the complaints you get around crowdfunding. Its a gamble to begin with and anything that actually manages to refund in the end if it goes south is a success not a failure. Anything that actually delivers even if late is a massive success. Like if you judged every company by how well it met its internal timelines they would all be shit. crowdfunding is just more transparent.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Not sure this honors the spirit of the question, but I think GrapheneOS may be something you're looking for.

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  • [+] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I wish fairphone would do the hardware and graphene the software but they do not seem to get along. That would be the ideal duo.

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    [–] 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It's ironic that arguably the best way to de-Google a phone is to get a Pixel and use GrapheneOS.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You're still using a platform upon which Google has an enormous influence, including making life much more difficult for projects like GrapheneOS. And I think it's only a matter of timer before they'll take more aggressive measures.

    Btw, I am not saying one should or shouldn't use a Pixel with GrapheneOS.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    My buddy did that. Didn't read the fine print. So he either pays off the $700 phone cash or let's Google invade his life long enough for it to be paid off by monthly credits, and he can unlock the bootloader.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    There seems to be a trend for larger phones that I’m just not on board with. It’s one of the reasons I’ve stuck with apple - the iPhone 13 mini is really as big as I’d ever want a phone. If I could find something private, and not requiring me learning a whole new set of skills to use, then I’d jump ship in a heartbeat, but there really doesn’t seem to be that much on offer

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    There seems to be a trend for larger phones that I’m just not on board with

    I have a Moto Razr 50ultra flip phone. Excellent pocketability, a lot of tasks can be perormed on the small outside screen, flip open for content consumption etc To me its a geeat design

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Curious how the Linux phone movement is going. Ubuntu touch seemed pretty cool

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I daily drive Ubuntu touch on a Fairphone 5. It is totally doable, but there is some sacrifice compared to the experience on a commercial OS. I think you will also get the best experience on UT if you lurk around in the community, as there are some good tips there on how to get the most out of it. (Like which smart watches are compatible, which browser is the least buggy, how to customize stuff)

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    everyone mentioning Motorola here. something to keep in mind if you lovelive in the US.

    Motorola exports chip manufacturing to China. The FCC just blocked products that use technology that sourced from China.

    you might be waiting to buy one domestically.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago* (11 children)

    Android isn't Google.

    Pretty surprised they didn't mention SHIFTphone with IodeOS

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    What?? Do you have an android phone? Google is so deeply integrated that you can't even disable uninstall it.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I do have an android phone.

    There is no google on it by default. Have you ever installed android before? By default, it's without gapps. You have to download an extra package even to get the google crap on it.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    huh, never heard of that one, I’ll add it to the list, always good to have backup options.

    In reply to to other points further up:

    Android isn’t Google.

    Yes it is, both the Wikipedia and the official website both state this.

    I don't mean to get in to a slap fight but it's not really a subjective issue, android is still owned/run by google.

    Though they didn't create it iirc, it was bought while it was still quite young.

    Have you ever installed android before? By default, it’s without gapps.

    Also not true, the official android comes with GMS and the Play suite (services, store etc).

    Though there are places where some of the Play suite apps are not allowed to be bundled (iirc china does this), the default is still to include them.

    Given that you're mentioning lineageOS then i'm assuming you mean the AOSP which afaict does indeed come without the GMS + normal google bs.

    While both are "official", I can't think of any reasonable metric where the AOSP (and it's forks/derivatives) would be considered the the default.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Pretty much all phones comes pre-installed with Android and completely tie to google with no easy way to get rid of it. Android is essentially develop by Google, open source or not, I'm not gonna waste time on rhetorical arguments on this.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Pretty much all laptops come pre-installed with Windows, but it's best practice to wipe and reinstall the OS immediately after you buy it

    Same applies to cell phones.

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