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[–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That's the absolute truth.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Genuinely asking, why are there a lot of “China good US bad” posts on lemmy? Like is it Chinese citizens posting this, pro-communist westerners? Bots?

    I ask because when I see pro-capitalist posts elsewhere I assume they are bots or Americans that watch too much Fox News.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    There are some Chinese users, but the majority are just communists from different countries, not neceessarily western ones. Lemmy was made by communists, so there are more of us here.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    but...isnt china bad? edit: this was a joke, sheesh

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  • Unlike this picture, real life contains many shades of grey. There are some areas that could be improved but in other areas they excel about any other nation. It's not black and white.

    Life doesn't have to be about identity and this picture screams "my identity is a tankie", which is cool but just means it's shit bias. Equally, saying a generic "China bad" screams that someone doesn't alot about its politics

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    No, it's not perfect, but it's as good as it gets

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    China isn't committing a genocide. If it were we'd have SOME proof, as there's so much proof of Gaza even though Israel is a surveillance state that severely represses the Palestinian people.

    Your views on China and Chinese people are shaped by the US propaganda machine, rather than evidence.

    I know you mean well but most of us started believing the same bs you do, there's criticism of China within our spaces but it contends with reality rather than the propaganda you're repeating.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, we always have proof of every genocide happening, because nobody would try to keep it secret

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    China is "authoritarian" from the perspective of capitalists, but liberating for the working classes. China is not committing genocide. Chinese citizens can and do critique the government, what's often censored is reactionary views or capitalists trying to foment liberalization. The markets are not free, and that's a good thing, as it's key to the success of China's Socialist Market Economy.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    "Defending" genocide? Absolutely not. Genocide is the one of the greatest of all crimes against humanity, so when accusations of genocide are falsely levied they should then be resolutely denounced, lest they undermine real genocide, such as what Palestinians face at the hands of the Zionist entity. I have no shame for dispelling atrocity propaganda that undermines existing struggles, same as I would for the supposed "white genocide" in South Africa.

    Just as "white genocide" was atrocity propaganda against those fighting apartheid, so too is the Xinjiang genocide narrative a political creation, with definite goals. Xinjiang is a key region in the Belt and Road Initiative, bridging the East to the West. Xinjiang is a key artery in the new multipolar era, and the West was hoping to foment radicalized elements to sever the artery and bleed the project dry.

    When the CPC responded not with guns and tanks but with education centers and job opportunities, the West switched tactics to alleging "genocide," spearheaded by a lone christofascist paid propagandist named Adrian Zenz.

    Today, the de-radicalization program has worked. Violent attacks are near 0, and Uyghur culture and identity are preserved and celebrated. I recommend reading Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation if you wish to learn what's actuallu going on in Xinjiang and how it developed historically.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Fyi this strategy is not effective. You're literally accusing the only political group who cares about genocide of being pro-genocide because you don't know what the word means and you've learned to hate socialists. Your viewpoints are incoherent, not real, and we can just shrug them off like one would do a child's rage.

    The only thing socialists will apologize for, to you, is that your mode of production has clearly let you down in a sad and meaningful way.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    authoritarian state

    Meaningless pejorative

    committing genocid

    The UN, OIC and everyone not directly funded by the US state department would disagree.

    essentially free markets, but with strict government oversight

    I think you should learn what free market means. Also simply not true, while private capital exists every strategic sector (the commanding heights) is publicly owned (land, energy, transport, finance).

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Previously:

    “Genocide denial” isn’t a magic spell. Do you not deny the genocide of white South Africans?

    Also, do you think we haven’t gone over the Wikipedia entry with a fine-toothed comb already?

    Previously:

    The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

    The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.

    Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
    https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.

    Previously:

    Genocide is more than just killing, it’s the deliberate destruction of a people including its culture and institutions.

    (a) Show me the Uyghur bodies

    (b) Show me the serious bodily or mental harm

    (c) Show me the conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction in whole or in part

    (d) Show me the measures intended to prevent births within the group

    In accordance with China's affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.

    (e) Show me the forcible transfer of children from one group to another group

    violent incidents in East Turkestan

    I wonder where those Salafi terrorists came from? Oh right: the US, UK, and Israel organized, funded, and trained them, as they did Al Qaeda and the various flavors of ISIS/ISIL, including the “moderate rebels” that just took over Syria. The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    book recommedation: No Escape by Nury Turkel

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago*

    No Escape by Nury Turkel

    Part Anne Frank and Hannah Arendt, No Escape shares Turkel’s personal story while drawing back the curtain on the historically unprecedented and increasing threat from China.

    "Part Holocaust trivialisation and Zionist cold war anti-communist No Escape shares the state departments line..."

    Certainly a source.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Nury Turkel is an American attorney, author, public official, and foreign policy expert based in Washington, D.C. He is a former chair of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, and former president of the Uyghur American Association.

    The UAA was founded in 1998. The UAA has had tax-exempt status since April 1998.[25] Uyghur activist Rushan Abbas played a significant role in the establishment of the UAA. She went on to become UAA Vice President and was the first Uyghur reporter to broadcast daily to the Uyghur region, for Radio Free Asia, in 1998

    Very serious person.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Rushan Abbas

    Abbas worked as a contractor for the U.S. military aiding in the interrogations of Uyghur detainees at Guantanamo Bay.

    Very serious activist activity of aiding the torture of those you're "advocating" for.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Is she the one who made an AMA on reddit about the Uyghur?

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    Rushan Abbas brings over 15 years of experience in global business development, strategic business analysis, business consultancy and government affairs throughout the Middle East, Africa, CIS regions, Europe, Asia, Australia, North America and Latin America. She also has extensive experience working with U.S. government agencies, including Homeland Security, Department of Defense, Department of State, Department of Justice, and various U.S. intelligence agencies.
    In her role at ISI Consultants, Ms. Abbas leads the business development activities of the firm, which includes developing and leveraging international relationships to serve our clients. She also acts as the firm’s key liaison with US and foreign government departments, agencies and embassies in support of international business efforts. Before joining ISI Consultants, Ms. Abbas was the Director for International Business at Leo A. Daly, an internationally recognized leader in the design of the built environment that is consistently ranked among the top design firms in the world. Prior to that, she ran her own consulting firm, working with companies on the set-up, development and implementation of their international business and providing market intelligence and consumer insight to capitalize on new business opportunities in international markets. Ms. Abbas also served as International Marketing Liaison at Pelco (a subsidiary of Schneider Electric) and as International Business Development Manager at Perity Land Inc. the largest commodity exporter in North America. She was also employed at L-3, as a consultant at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, supporting Operation Enduring Freedom during 2002- 2003 and as a news reporter at Radio Free Asia. Ms. Abbas has also worked as a linguist and translator for several federal agencies including work for the US State Department in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and for President George W. Bush and former First Lady Laura Bush. Ms. Abbas holds a Bachelor of Science from Xinjiang University in China and completed a graduate program in International Business from California State University in Fresno. Outside of work Ms. Abbas has been an active campaigner for human rights and works closely with members of U.S. Senate, Congressional Committees, the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, the U.S. Department of State and several other US government departments and agencies.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Personally, I prefer Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation. It's better than that memoir by a Statesian politician, and uses a combination of western reporting and hard empirical data.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Sure, the about page of the collective says a lot about their agenda already but I'm gonna check out the article in detail later.

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