She was cool with fucking the brain slug when it was inside the man she describes as her brother, though.

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[–] 36 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I think it is somewhat unfair to "demand" of Beverly to be okay with her partner unexpectedly being a woman now. If she isn't into that, unfortunate, but whom people are attracted to is very much their personal business, just as whom they identify as.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    you know, in any other situation I'd agree but the whole episode was framing this narrative where she gets past that. was just a super weird heel-turn to go from "okay I can fuck a very long-lived parasite without knowing if their host consents" to "okay I can fuck the parasite in Ryker without Ryker consenting even though I see him as my brother" to "a femme presenting host????? THAT'S too far"

    and then she was mad and weirdly condescending about it. being upset about the premise is kind of dogshit, after all that

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    if she isn't attracted to a female body, then her saying no is understandable.

    its not possible for a lot of people to just turn off what makes their hoo-haa happy. and holding someone responsible for what they can't control seems unfair.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    obviously. it's just funny that it was somehow Goblin's fault and that she was fine with body swapping up until that point

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    transcendent explorations of love

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    How did the makeup team do Dax's spots anyway? Were they painted by hand, and a little different every day of shooting? Did they have a template and spray paint?

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    Jesus, why is this picture so hot???

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    On a general level, the lighting is diffuse and the focus loose. The pose is one that implies a shared moment. This gives an implied intimacy, even were it just a random pose.

    However, it's also showing a shirt pulled aside, which heightens the sense of intimacy.

    Overall, while it's definitely not a sexual image, we're partially conditioned to connect intimacy with sexuality. This makes it hot rather than just another picture of the same person. She's a gorgeous woman, but if she was just standing somewhere, the only "hotness" would be in the mind of the viewer since such a pose has no triggers to pull.

    But this is a very sensual image. I just wonder if the person that snapped it knew what they were doing, or just got lucky.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    iirc It’s because he didn’t tell her shit until afterwards.

    Fuck, you’re a hot chick now wtf else is gonna happen?? Do you turn into a steamshovel or suddenly speak only in riddles or some shit?

    It’s about being honest with your partner and how shit can be fucked when you lie (by omission, anyway).

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It wasn’t a lie, though, because there was no intent to deceive. The trill just views this as normal. They saw no more reason to “reveal” how their biology works than a human might feel the need to disclose that they’ll wrinkle and weaken with age.

    Realistically spacefaring races would probably find ways of sorting these things out before getting involved, but that’s how it was presented in the episode.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    The trill just views this as normal. They saw no more reason to “reveal” how their biology works than a human might feel the need to disclose that they’ll wrinkle and weaken with age.

    if you visited a planet where everyone is in their 20s and never age, i am pretty sure you would feel obligated to point the fact you will age and wrinkle to someone before you marry them.

    and it is not like the trills are delusional and have no idea how different they are from other non-joined species.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Been too long since I saw the episode. Skimming the transcript, this is the quote I remembered:

    It never occurred to me. This is what I am. Did you ever tell me that you are only a single being? Of course not. That was normal to you.

    And since Beverly gives no real pushback to that, I kind of assumed that was a fair justification: that the Trill as they existed in this episode simply hasn’t had enough contact with other humanoids to know they were different.

    But skimming the rest of the transcript, you're right. Odan doesn’t correct anyone who refers to his previous work as that of his father. He clearly understands this difference and purposefully hides it.

    Feel like that makes the episode less interesting. And especially worse retrospectively if we apply the obvious trans metaphor...

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    one of the defining attributes of startrek is inconsistency... in some cases, they didn't even try, but it is hard to be consistent across multiple different shows even if you do try. and in this case it also did not help this was introduction of the concept (of trills as joint species) and all the lore we now take for granted was created later in ds9.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    what were they (?) supposed to tell her? they didn't get to choose either of the new bodies they were provided. seems like to them that the host's sex plays very little of a role to them anyway

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Pretty sure they should have told her they'd change their physical form completely, for starters.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like they had a second go of this theme in DS9 where Dax does do the new host

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Which episode was this? Don't recall it.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    "The Host," which is also the first episode with the Trill.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I've never made it through tng. Actually trying as gain right now on season 3.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Season 3 is when TNG becomes TNG.

    I'm impressed you made it through the first 2 seasons at all. The racist jungle gym fight is always when I tap out, and I've watched the rest of TNG an endless amount of times.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I'm a voyager baby, I'll rewatch the forever.

    I started tng on season 3 this time because the finale is worf 359.

    I'm kinda not paying attention but so far so good

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    first two seasons and some parts of 3 were rough 😅 do you mean Worf's battle program where he made fuck?

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    [–] 14 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I always figured the ending was to get the episode to air at all during the era. Like it wasn't obviously pro-tranistion, because no official protagonist transitioned or loved someone who did. :(

    I'm thankful that Trek has managed stronger message with actual protagonists, since.

    Of course, it must have also been to ensure the sacred expectations of television networks that episodes can air in any order because nothing meaningful changes.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I just finished watching this one yesterday actually, it annoys me so much that I struggle to watch it. Having seen it, and knowing it has absolutely no bearing on any plot, the smart thing to do would be to skip it, and yet I just slowly trudged through it anyway.

    Could have been an awesome episode, but wasn't IMO. They could have even confined it to Dr. Crusher's own preferences, but instead it was a statement about humans as a whole.

    3/10 episode for me, tops. And a large part of getting a 3 instead of a 1 is the introduction of the trill as a species.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    it really WAS good until that moment on the end when she just got so pissed off. and then that monologue about how "maybe sOmEDaY hUMaNs wiLl bE oPeN MiNdED eNoUgH" like it had never occurred to her that sometimes Trill are female. Or she just assumed that she we was going to outlive multiple hosts and homeboy would be wearing a new skinsuit every week. do you know how silly that would be? if they had to priority-mail themselves new hosts across the galaxy every couple of months or years

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Also please remember that this episode was penned on the 80s, 40 years ago, and to say that attitudes have changed a bit is a huge understatement

    If anything, take it as a complement on how much has changed for the better since then that a then very progressive show now is outdated

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 6 months ago

    sort of? I'm more impressed by everything I saw up until that point. the clumsiness of the show is a credit to how people in the 80's ans 90's were trying to be forward thinking for the time against the popular culture.

    this meme I made is probably overstating my reaction. you've got to understand I'm making a joke about the sudden shift in stance in a single scene and not actually bemoaning the ethics of the writing. the ethics are mostly good.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I think the outcome is probably closer to a real Human reaction than any progressive agenda would have you hope to believe. Not every story is a lesson on how to be better. Some stories are just about the characters.

    If my beautiful wife were suddenly turned into a dude, I'm not sure my marriage would last much longer. This isn't me being shitty. This is me being human.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    For the 80s (maybe early 90s?) that was remarkably forward looking.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    She didn’t think he would change bodies.

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