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[–] 207 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (35 children)

there have been enough reasons to ditch nova in the past years, in case someone is still using it

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  • [–] 52 points 6 months ago (25 children)

    I was still using it because I was too lazy to migrate things over to another.

    And then I saw this post, so I guess it was time. Only took half an hour to figure out how to get Lawnchair doing basically what I wanted it to.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    Octopi Launcher is damn near a replacement. Learn nothing new, muscle memory for swiping up or down on dock icons to open other apps.

    Those were my requirements and it nails it.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Lawnchair is darn close, and FOSS. Recommending another closed source option usually leads down the same road.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

    How can you tell whether or not something is FOSS in Google Play?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    Unfortunately not easily. Most mention it in descriptions or have links to GitHub/etc. For me, I used to search FDroid to check but I'm pretty selective about the apps I use. Now I do most things through Obtainium, but as a Graphene user I'm certainly not the norm.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I couldn't find Lawnchair in F-Droid.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Sigh.. Lawnchair is the absolute worst of the worst for install/discovery. Because it got taken over by another developer, it's been all "beta" releases on GitHub forever, even though a truckload of people daily drive it.

    https://github.com/LawnchairLauncher/lawnchair/releases

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I've been daily driving it for a while and really want it to be better. Its hard to complain since it's FOSS, but one of my most used features from the old Lawnchair 2 version (tabs in the app drawer) hasn't been implemented in the new version since development was effectively reset/restarted.

    Maybe it's time to move on and check out Octopi...

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    OK, so I don't recommend this often, but there is a FOSS option closer to Nova than Lawnchair. It's called Neo Launcher: https://github.com/neoapplications/neo-launcher

    It may be worth a shot, I ran the release on GitHub for about a year. I stopped because the devs are doing this brainrot thing of putting releases as beta in their Discord, so the release file on GitHub is old. I hate that practice so much that I stopped recommending it, even though it's a slightly better launcher with more options IMO.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I appreciate the recommendation, however, I can't support any dev who uses Discord for releases/support. I'm doing what I can to move friends and family once a viable alternative is available. I know a bunch were being recommended a couple of weeks ago, but I need 80%+ feature parity and simple a install and use flow before most will consider it.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The one feature I use most of all on Nova is swipe down on the screen to search. I has that all the time and would be tough to give up. I also really like the ability to swipe up on a folder and have it launch the first app in the folder.

    I'll give Octopi a try on an older phone and hopefully it has some of these same features.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I'm trying out Octopi right now, seems nice so far. But, is there any way to make folders open the first app with a tap, and open the folder by swiping? That's how I used Nova for years and years, very hard to break away from that

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Just curious, would you then view the folder with a swipe down?

    Not seeing a way to change folder tap but you could pbly request that. It's a single developer and I've been very happy to support them to get away from Nova. I've been using Octopi since last year and it's been great!

    You can set up individual apps with swipe up and swipe down as well though, so if there's a main app in your folder you could break it out and at least get 2 other apps to open via swipes. Not the same I know.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I like for it to open folders with a swipe and open the first app of the folder with a tap. I have figured out how to do this in Octopi now thanks to the other reply! Although it becomes slightly an issue with how folders in the dock behave slightly differently than folders on the home pages. But I think it's close enough to be a workable replacement for Nova finally!

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    lawnchair is what I swapped to a few years back. I do want to warn.. be careful updating it. Always make a backup of lawnchair prior to allowing it to update because ive had it fail to update twice now and have had to restore the backup on the new version.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Yeah I switched to lawn chair a few months ago because I kept seeing these stories about Nova's parent company. I like it just fine—i haven't had the issues you have (thankfully)—but there are a few features I miss from nova. Oh well, I'd rather have the peace of mind than the minor feature.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Sadly my custom home screen depends on features I haven't found in any other launcher, so right now I just have internet disabled for it with trackercontrol :/

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    If crazy levels of customisation is the reason you use it, Total Launcher did the trick for me.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks for the reccomendation, I'll take a look :)

    Yeah its the customization features. A couple replies down I listed some of the features I use that I haven't seen in other launchers. I'll check out total launcher and see if it could work for me

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    No worries friend :)

    You can place things anywhere down to the pixel, not just snapped to a grid like with Nova (though, there is option for a grid of apps, also).

    It's a bit of fiddly process if it's complicated, but you can layer and place things however you want.

    There is no dock, you can however pin items to show on every screen, which is basically the same thing, so that would also fit that criterion.

    Also 4 swipe directions on icons for extra shortcuts beyond tap (last I used nova, it was just up and down? It's been many years).

    Basically, can highly recommend Total Launcher, though in fairness, I have not tried some of the other launchers listed by others here.

    The one time fee for pro is pretty affordable, iirc. The Dev is also pretty responsive via email

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    What features out of curiosity? I haven't used Nova since like Android 7

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Largely stuff like widget and home screen padding, ability to place widgets on top of one another, set a custom widget for the search bar in the dock and place widgets in the dock

    Some parts look kinda jank cause I haven't really worked on it since I replaced my phone so I never finished adjusting stuff to the different size screen, but this is my home screen right now. I just use a lot of features to make my jank ass setup work, so its hard to switch. Custom fonts would be so nice if I ever did make the leap though

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago*

    Or it just keeps breaking and not reading my files.

    Oh I am confusing this for Nova Video player.

    Damn I was excited to switch to this Lawnchair everyone is so indifferent about.

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    [–] 84 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    What a great advertisement for almost any other launcher.

    Lawnchair is my go to if anyone wants a pretty simple and customizable launcher that respects your privacy.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    I downloaded the APK for the old version before they added the spyware and bloatware, but i turned off auto updates and Google Play keeps trying to get me to update Nova launcher to the newest version 🥱

    Not going to happen and the best part is there was no forced update within the app so im going to keep using the old one till it breaks.

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  • [–] 44 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Excellent. Lawnchair it is then.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Well it's a good thing those two URIs can be easily blocked. Besides you can get the app from their Github page (sadly no F-droid repo as closed-source), and pay for Pro (if wanted) via Stripe instead of Google Play. I also had issues migrating Niagara off of Google once I'd connected the two, but an email correspondence with the lead dev Max Rumpf got the issue pleasantly and quickly resolved.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Well yeah that’s the only way but then you lose the meteorology API which is a shame.

    It sucks because Niagara is easily my favourite launcher, but I can’t afford to have a proprietary app with insane privileges across my device.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (2 children)

    It's likely the only reason for the privilege is to collect coords to send to the weather API. At least it's optional, and there are alternative ways to see weather reports, just not on the home screen.

    I tried accessing Google Photos via my phone to handle a couple of things I had active on that account from before. Little fuck refused to let me open the app unless it had unconditional access to all my media.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    It didn’t need to request the coordinates, it should allow me to just pick a city in the world from a list and give me the local weather based on that.

    It is a design choice to force you to always stay connected and, in my opinion, is very shady. It’s okay if you wish you assume innocence here, I personally cannot.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Yeah nah that makes sense. I've got a weather integration in Home Assistant and chose to add relatively accurate coordinates for the API calls. That at least was entirely under my control, whereas their implementation was "use it this way or not at all", demanding location access or no weather.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    It's not FOSS though I think? Free and paid tier. Website doesn't say much about privacy etc. I actually have Lawnchair running silently and almost configured to mirror my Nova home screen but there doesn't seem to be folders in the app drawer which is a pain, unless I have totally missed it.

    Edit: Indeed, I totally missed it, in the settings. FFS.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Total enshittification. Practically conned then kicked out the original team so that they make their own intrusive changes.

    Hell, any data they harvest will and can be sold to other parties. God knows how much fucking lunatic Peter could be offering them.

    If anyone is stubborn enough and until someone makes a near 1:1 version -- and Lawnchair is functionally close to what Nova does -- do backup the existing settings, uninstall the app, roll back to the pre-2022 7.0.57b version, sideload install, then from GPlay disable auto-updating for the app. Yeah, and put restrictions on the app from trying to do telemetry.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Moved to action launcher after the sale. Enshittification was inevitable.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Lawnchair is a pretty good FOSS launcher.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    Can confirm. I switched from Nova Launcher a year+ ago. I haven't noticed any downgrade. Lawnchair feels cleaner, better.

    I guess proprietary software has no option but enshittification once an open source alternative exists. The proprietary product becomes strictly for chumps, so they make it a full on scam.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Do you know if Lawnchair can do a splitscreen with two apps? I got a new phone with lawnchair and I couldn't figure out how to do it the other day. I know it used to be a part of Android. I don't know if it's part of the OS, the launcher, or Google just decided to remove the feature.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure if this is even launcher dependant thing? I'm on pixel 9 pro, using lawnchair myself.

    In your open app-selector, you should have drop-down to start split screen mode.

    spoiler

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    God bless. I didn't even see the drop down. My old Samsung and LG didn't do it that way. And of course searching on the internet for the solution yielded jack because everyone has enshitittfied their search engines. Thank you kind stranger.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago

    You just solved one of my long-standing problems! I've been looking for a launcher that could replace Nova for me, but I hadn't been able to find anything that really did the job. Octopi for the win!

    I am in the process of moving over my highly-customized setup now. And I made the larger of the two donations, in support of the app.

    Thanks for suggesting it and thanks to the developer who built it!

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Fuck all this. Stock android degoogled/Lineageos should be standard for every phone.

    Next phone I get will be 100% degoogled. Hopefully a full Linux distro is out by then. I wish there was a Linux distro for phones that was just the regular OS but with adaptive standards like how websites change with desktop and mobile and Windows size changes.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Check out Swappa.com, find an unlocked Google Pixel 7a or 8a, and load GrapheneOS onto it.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Out of interest as a 7a user , what's the top 3 pros and cons ?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Top 3 Pros:

    1. You have a daily driver OS that is so open you can install any app on it that can be sideloaded.

    2. You have access to the Google Pixel camera, which, when paired with Open Camera or any open source camera app, can take photos in stunning detail without having to rely on Google's proprietary software.

    3. The form factor of the A-series of Pixels, depending on your hand size, may be just the right fit for your hands. I have big hands and even I find the Pro/XL models to be a bit big for my tastes.

    Top 3 Cons:

    1. There are some banking, payment, etc. apps that won't even open without Google Play Services being installed. Fortunately, GrapheneOS has Sandboxed Google Play services that isolates Google Play services from the OS and allows only the necessary minimum utilities from Play Services for those apps to be useable.

    2. Google's Tensor chip is...not good. Like it's Exynos bad. Fortunately, I believe the Pixel 6 series had the first and worst version of the chip. Each phone after has slowly improved the reliability of the modem so calls can be made in/outbound. Thankfully, GrapheneOS recently partnered with Motorola to allow future Motorola phones to be installed with GrapheneOS, so ideally their phones should have much better modems.

    3. [insert third con I can't think of here]

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks for the reminder! I had switched to Lawnchair, but I just realized I had forgotten to uninstall Nova. Fixed!

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I'm surprised people are still using this. I haven't used Nova for almost a decade.

    I've been quite happy with Niagara for the last few months.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah it's time. Nova was great but now it's fully enshitified. I went with Niagara. There's a short learning period, less than a week for me to feel comfortable, but I love it. Very simple and clean.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Lawnchair runs fine on GrapheneOS.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I switched from Nova to Niagara a couple years ago and I'm very happy with it

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What have they done to my boy

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    damn i remember the good old days with Nova where everything was so smooth. Evie launcher too. And even we have many problems with them, Microsoft launcher was good in the beginning.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    There were many good options. Now it's just Niagara Launcher that doesn't suck.

    Edit: I see Octopi getting mentioned a lot. Might have to check that one out.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Oh yay creepware. Anyone know a good launcher with support for tablets?

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