edit: seems like some people interpret “full of” as a mathematical majority which, while it may or might not be true instance to instance, isn’t my intent in posting

feel free to swap in “has a lot of” if that’s more familiar language to you :)

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[–] 51 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Since 2013 we’ve seen disenfranchisement in Alabama in real time. Require strict new voter id, then close the DMVs in black and left leaning areas. Combine polling places in democratic leaning areas so they are further away and have long lines. Move polling places so they are no longer accessible by bus. Those are just the obvious ones, but the Republicans’ strategy has been to do anything they can to stop people from voting.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    i would love so hard some legislation that requires voting ids on contingency that independent local sources find that access to ids are hugely increased

    which means it will never happen but hey a girl can dream

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Food for thought. If youre a working adult youve invested in this country. You have every right to expect something in return. Like the expectation that your investment hasn't been squandered for the purpose of evil.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There are absolutely decent people trapped here, but we’re legit outnumbered. It isn’t just gerrymandering or some shitty system at fault: the majority of southerners are just fucking evil.

    This. I remember moving from a conservative area in a border state, to the South for a short time, and being absolutely floored by the things that were quite openly said and laughed about. And I was no wilting violet, I was already quite used to hearing vile shit.

    "Every population is secretly filled with our allies!" is delusional.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “Exceptions to the rule” were so ingrained in every one when I lived in the south that it was impossible to have a decent conversation about anything.

    My gay cousin is fine, but gay people…

    My best friend from high school, who is black, is fine, but black people are…

    My abortion was necessary but abortion at large is wrong…

    My trans child needs gender affirming care but…

    My Latino workers are upstanding people but Latinos are…

    My EBT/Snap benefits are deserved but people on welfare…

    My drug use is fine and doesn’t harm anyone but…

    I mean, I know this is a general human trait, but it felt almost institutionalized to a point where people could say incredibly horrible shit about people and then deftly sidestep the contradiction when called out. It really did feel like being in a fever dream (and not from the crippling humidity and heat).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh God. In my border state conservative area, growing up, that was the constant refrain. I'm borderline having flashbacks, lmao

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Apologies for the memories.

    What really made my head spin was encountering the self-loathing types who would argue against their own interests. I recall listening to a man, who had lived with another man for about 20 years, tell me that gay marriage was wrong but that he wanted his partner, who was a few decades younger, to be taken care of when he eventually passed.

    That was when I truly realized that something was wrong with everything.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    yep. had a convo with a friend I've known since 2nd grade about why he would vote for a prezzo who vows to ban all muslims (half my family) he had no clear answer just sputtered that he didn't think he'd actually do it. And if he did he'd protest it.

    I told him to shove his fake concern up his ass and he blocked me on all media. These people veil their hatred and pretend we can't tell.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    (edit: i came to an understanding with the person im responding to and i was not happy with how this comment was worded so deleting it because it wasn’t contributing)

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There ya go. I fully agree with you here. 👍 Sending love to you as “one of the good ones.” (Sorry that sounds mean but I don’t know how to put it XD)

    [Again apologies if my initial comment came off as abrasive. My entire post is a reaction to some crowds cheering on the recent tragedy in Texas and it’s clear now you are not anywhere near a part of that crowd and I misread the situation.]

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    With the victory of the current administration, you are applying a description of unequivocally the entire nation and relagating it only to those of the lowest income, those closest to historical slavery, and those with the fewest educational opportunities.

    As another person who works in a hospital of one of the poorest and most conservative states in the union....I don't think you really know what you are talking about.

    First of all, there is no such thing as a basic definition of what makes up good people and bad people. You can be good to your family and your neighbors and be incredibly racist, bigoted, or just unempathetic towards anyone else outside your daily life.

    What I notice about the South the most is the inability to be compassionate to anyone who isn't right in front of them.

    think if you engage more thoughtfully with historical realities you might begin to come to a different understanding.

    Historical realities can negatively shape culture...... What about the Souths history leads you to believe that most of southerners are "good people" and how exactly do you quantify good?

    No offense, but do you live in the South? And if so....are you a person of color or another minority, because if not you may not be getting the full experience.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    most of southerners are “good people”

    Strawman, reread the entire post bud. Looks like they just misunderstood.

    “The south is full of good people” (verbatim quote from my post, objectively true, yes from my own experience and yes minorities) DOES NOT mean “most of southerners are good people” (verbatim YOUR bad-faith interpretation of my post).

    Feel free to try again but as a principle I don’t defend positions I never said in my life.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Strawman, reread the entire post bud.

    I think that's a pedantic dispute considering you've made rebuttals against people claiming that good people were out numbered. Plus, what does "full of" even mean when it comes to judging the general morality of southern people? I think the generalization of the south being full of good people reads quite a bit differently than there are some good people in the South.

    objectively true, yes from my own experience and yes minorities)

    Generalities cannot be objectively true..... Implying that something is full of good people implies a majority, as in a glass fullof milk, is not also full of water.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    ah. feel free to swap in “lots of” instead of “full of” then.

    sounds like a regional misunderstanding which you unintentionally misconstrued.

    people are not liquids in containers. something like “the government is full of corruption” doesn’t mean “more than fifty percent of government workers are corrupt” it just means “lots of corrupt people in government, can’t ignore that” and i would be more than willing to swap the verbage

    glad to clear this up as i genuinely didn’t expect that that would be misunderstood

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    sounds like a regional misunderstanding which you unintentionally misconstrued.

    Maybe it's a regional thing....but I don't think I'm the only one who interpreted it that way.

    But yeah, there are plenty of decent people in the South, I wouldn't argue against that. I would argue it's a smaller minority than in some of the other places I've lived though.

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    [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It probably sucks being trapped in a red state while having empathy.

    Hopefully, enough of them gather and enact tangible change.

    Otherwise nothing will change.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I’m with you. I live in a red state in the north, in a small island of blue, but if I drive for a few minutes in any direction it’s trump signs & bigotry.

    I feel like I’m surrounded by idiots. They’re bringing my state down with them. It’s horrifying.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Sending love ❤️ I truly hate to see would be-“progressives” laughing at the senseless deaths and violence just because some 30% of them voted a certain way.

    It’s one of the ways that capital keeps the culture war lit, I find. Breed hatred and dehumanization for a people group while gleefully stripping that people group from self-determination at every opportunity.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm seeing a very ugly side around Lemmy the last couple of days. It's nice to see posts like this!

    If something is despicable when your adversary does it, then it is despicable when you do it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It's been around in related forms, for a while; the reactions to just any comment where someone points out or mentions eugenics usually are good ones (arguably, the argument that's caught on around here that brain damage is literally conservativism is a great example of that general thinking and eugenics-adjacent (and ablism-directly!)).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Who’s laughing at senseless deaths? You mean people are laughing at the flood victims??

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I saw some comment (since been removed by mods) about 'You get what you vote for!" on an article about the teenagers who got caught in the flood. Basically, liberal blue-maga behavior instead of leftist solidarity among us poors.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, I can’t stand that stuff. Like when Michael Moore was celebrating the Texas grid failures and the ice storm. I’m like, the whole reason I’m against traitor lunatic policies is because they are harmful.

    The only time I’m down with “have the day you voted for” type thinking is when it’s a rich person losing their business or something.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It’s so sad. Voting age in the US is 18 for the record so even if we ignore the historic systemic voting barriers for older people and across generations, it’s also transparently malicious to blame teens, most of whom never voted once, for their deaths.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hell even if they were an actual adult who very much voted the wrong way and fully drank the cool aid, death is not okay and seeing people online celebrate it because they're "the bad guys" kinda makes me sick.

    One of the reasons I got off reddit was any time a video from Ukraine came up the comments were just full of insults and jokes about the Russian soldier who died. And yeah, there is no redeeming qualities of Russia invading Ukraine and they could stop the war just as easily as they started it, but come on guys. That's some guy, a guy who had family and friends and desires and dislikes and now he's dying a slow and painful death in a field somewhere.

    You can not like the "other side" but you gotta hold onto your humanity.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago

    Truth! And, if my understanding of history and sources are correct, Russian citizenry had even less say in their government or precipitating invasion than the average American.

    Russian elections are like, crazy rigged. I’m sure our president is jealous.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yes. :( Fortunately the mods and general vibe here are okay but Instagram and Reddit are rife with it. Twitter is… even worse.

    Just wanted to put some love and acknowledgement out there in the face of that insanity. :)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    You can replace "south" with "US" and it's just as true.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    honestly very correct. someone else pointed out that even the worst of us states were only 70/30 maga.

    call me a bleeding heart lib but i don’t celebrate the suffering of 10 people just because 7 of them asked for it. 🙃

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (14 children)

    The ones who voted for it, however...

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I adovacte for their survival, recovery, repentance, and penance in proportion to the weight of their crimes.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    That's what we did after the Civil War, and look where that got us. 🤌🏼

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    Not even true lol (You were alive immediately after the civil war wow!) Yeah and sadly slave owners literally received reparations when there should have been Nurembergs.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Thafuq are you on? Their "crimes" were downplayed and hardly anyone was executed for the endless list of subhuman behavior they only too gleefully perpetrated.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    either u are being sarcastic or u 180 degree misinterpreted my comment, we are saying the same thing? /confused

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    not even true

    saying the same thing

    Uhwat.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    i guess maybe you were meaning “that’s what we did” as advocating for slaveholder punishment where i interpreted it as actually doing it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    "punishment"? We let them all walk, and today their slobbering progeny claim the South did nothing wrong.

    Should've hanged the lot when we had the chance. Nowadays, we can't even roach bomb the sedition out — especially since now they're skittering inside the fucking walls of the Capitol itself. 😶

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Did you skip history class again, son?

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

    Most folks in the south are good, honest, hard-working people - but the levels of propaganda aimed at keeping them ignorant and blaming minorities for systemic issues are hard to overstate. That coupled with a crumbling education system, poverty, and voter suppression is what keeps the south voting against the best interests of the majority of people.

    The average Southern voter is just trying to do the right thing with the information they have access to. Doesn't make them any less wrong, but it does make the situation more morally complex.

    It always makes me sad when I see people in Left spaces saying things like "it serves them right" etc etc when disasters occur. Sure, the majority of voters may have voted for policies that caused these things, but they are ignorant and have been lied to their whole lives. Not to mention all the folks who have been disenfranchised by the system.

    Edit: for those responding: most. Most people. Like 40% of people don't vote. And another 25+% vote Dem. Of the remaining 30-35% that decide elections for Republicans, most of those are extremely misled, either thinking Dems are to blame for Rep policies that harm them, that Dem policies will make it impossible for them to make a living, etc. etc. A subset of those 30-35% are just outright evil and either want to throw everyone under the bus for a few tax breaks or are just rascists/bigots. But, that is not most people. Note, I don't lime the Democrats, but their policies are significantly less harmful than Rep policies. If you actually talk to people in the South, you would understand that. Some are out-and-out ghouls, but most people are miseducated, poor, and have been told who to blame by the powers that be.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I lived in VA. From 2nd to 9th grade pre-internet. Now VA. Is South but it's not west va., Mississippi, or Tennessee south. Even back then, you could spend an afternoon in a library and alleviate yourself of a lot of bad information unintentionally just by looking up that information. I know because I did. I'd hear grownups around me say sketchy shit and look into it. It's even easier to do so now. Just the act of seeking clarity can bring some small pieces of enlightenment. A lot of people didn't bother then and wouldn't now.

    What's happening is post-truth BS. People just choosing to believe whatever the fuck they want, often without any verification.

    Are some people being led astray? Absolutely. But they're also allowing themselves to be. People have been trying to convince southerners (and others) for decades, of not a century, that they're being screwed over and the people they vote in are doing the screwing but many just flatly refuse to look into it at all and just keep going on blind faith. What happened to personal responsibility and self-agency? Not to mention that some people are just dumpster fires given human form and those people definitely deserve to reap what they sow.

    I don't wish hardship on anyone but if a person continually brings hardship on themselves through their own, thoughts, votes, and actions, while ignoring all the warnings being handed out like candy at Halloween, I don't find it surprising that others feel less inclined to be sympathetic let alone empathetic with their plight.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's because most people are intellectually lazy.

    It's far easier to believe trusted sources than look things up yourself.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    No. Hard stop NO. Ignorance is no longer an acceptable excuse. They all have access to the same internet as the rest of us and all have the ability to verify the things they see and hear. Most choose not to.

    I'll accept gerrymandering and some other hard physical barriers but ignorance and lack of education is no longer acceptable.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    They do not have access to the same internet. Just see how Facebook's algorithm decides what to show you based on your IP and usage history and a bajillion other factors. And how Google changes the search results based on IP too. They don't choose not to verify the things they see; those things were presented as the truth to them in the first place.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Critical thinking skills are essential for that, and they stopped teaching that a long time ago. It's not enough to have access to information, you have to have the skills to judge and interpret it. This is why misinformation is such a problem, people literally don't have the skills to distinguish between it and actual facts

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nobody ever taught me that either but I figured it out. I wish this didn't need to be taught at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It isn’t the schools’ responsibility to give you every damn skill necessary to be a functioning adult. We keep trying to put the blame somewhere where it doesn’t belong.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Who's responsibility is it? The parents? The ones who were themselves indoctrinated? The point of mentioning schools is to say that the reliable baseline of public education isn't so reliable anymore, so all they have is propaganda filtered through their parents and community.

    It's not about placing blame, it's about diagnosing the causes and devising a fitting solution.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    So what you're saying is they can vote to fuck up the country and suppress other peoples freedoms. They can vote to instill pain fear and chaos in other peoples lives. But when the consequences of their vote bites them in the ass all of a sudden we need to have empathy and grace? Libs like you are why we are in this mess with fascism to begin with.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    I can't do shit about that in Pennsylvania. You'd think there would have been more an effort to disprove the allegations or fix the problems sometime between 1865 and now.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Guess what! People in the south frequently can’t do shit about it either. If you would like to blame this on the people who live there for not voting correctly, please explain to me what you think ‘gerrymandering’ and ‘disenfranchisement’ mean, and what the average person living in the south is supposed to do about this shit being greenlit by SCOTUS.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Both things can be true: vote manipulation measures and voters choosing horribly.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The victims of the vote manipulation aren’t a random accident, it’s mostly leaving Republican voters standing by design. If legislation swept through other states that put the same voting requirements and gerrymandered districts as a lot of southern states have in place, they would probably also start to become real Republican shitholes without anyone’s values or voting patterns changing.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    And every time a city tries to do something good, the state steps in and stops it. This happens daily in Birmingham, Alabama where the state is constantly overturning things the city has passed or the state takes the ability away from the city.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago

    You are maybe being sardonic but you’re touching on a real poignant issue that’s worth investigating.

    Notice how the NRA conveniently backs the oligarchic state? The average NRA member owns something like 17 guns. That is, they can afford 17 guns. NRA members are wealthy.

    This is not an accident. Poverty has been weaponized to keep the majority-white, upper to middle class the ones that are armed, while the working class, the people of color, queer people, women, migrants, tend to be less armed and less able to organize.

    Of course these are all trends, or tendencies, not hard and fast rules (plenty of Black or Queer Texans own guns), but on the whole, and especially in combination with a militarized, capital serving, police force it had a real dampening effect on ability to resist oppression.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago

    There are rights organizations that work across state borders for these causes. Not trying to shame, just putting out there that there are outlets for your talents, time, money, or even just verbal support.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Don't leave the basement and you wont have to worry about the weather

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ah, if only the MAGAts could read.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why? So they could say you wish liberal cuck?"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like someone grunted those words into your mouth over and over and over so you could dribble them out after from the corners of that sycophantic, yearning smile, no? 🤷🏼‍♂️

    NM. My bad. Misread. 😜

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/national-weather-service-alert-timeline-texas-flooding/3879084/

    U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem said Saturday it was difficult for forecasters to predict just how much rain would fall. She said the Trump administration would make it a priority to upgrade National Weather Service technology used to deliver warnings.

    Sure, Kristi. I'm sure you'll say anything for headlines

    During a news conference early Friday morning, Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly said he didn't know why the camps hadn't been evacuated, but that the county did not have an early warning system or outdoor sirens to alert people to flooding conditions.

    “We’ve looked into it before … The public reeled at the cost,” Kelly said.

    Democracy, but stupid people are making your voting decisions

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i have no narrative or conclusion here, just sharing a thing i found, Kelly seems maybe to be lying?

    there’s record of a system being installed here. very bare in details, but only a decade ago. seems like a system could last that long right? idk it’s past my bedtime

    https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/kerr-co-launches-emergency-alert-system/273-264106461

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  • Kerr County said the National Emergency Notification system 'CodeRED' will deliver pre-recorded, emergency telephone messages to residents that sign up.

    Those emergency alerts on phones would've also worked so this systems seems redundant. With the exception of traditional telephones, this wouldn't be too useful.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I solve this by not liking anyone anywhere.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't care about the color of your skin, your gender identity, your sexual identity, your political identity, what country your from, or your legal status here, I hate all humans equally, I just want to be left alone.

    Narrator: And that children was the prophet who taught us to hate equally and mind your damn business.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's clearly not full of them though. It's full of human scum who do horrible shit on a daily basis and actively harm everyone in the process.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 1 year ago

    i think some people interpret “full of” differently and that’s a fair gripe to have with this post

    as i said in the body text, feel free to swap in “has a lot of” if that’s more familiar language to you :)

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