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[–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Are the rich finally noticing that the people working for them work better and don't burn your business down or throw molotov's at your house or shoot you if they can afford at least a decent life, then they have something to lose and will protect the workplace that provides that however if they have nothing to lose other than a shitty workplace then this happens and will keep happening and should keep happening because things need to change drastically and for that to happen sometimes drastic measures are necessary and how drastic it needs to be depends on those that aren't in the least bit interested in paying a livable wage.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    doesn't look like this one was arson tho. they're saying one of the sanders accidentally ignited some magnesium dust. that's what one of the companies in the building works with. there were almost 50 people in the building at the time, so if somebody set fire to it then they would be a pretty shitty person. one of the workers inside ended up in the hospital.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    American Spring

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    At this time of year?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Finally some Americans got the memo ;)

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    [–] 20 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The beatings fires will continue until morale pay improves

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago*

    To the tune of "Giant Woman" from Steven Universe:

    🎵 All I wanna do

    Is see people like you

    Pay living wages

    Pay living wages

    All I wanna be

    Is someone who gets to see

    Some living wages

    All you have to do

    To not see a fire crew

    Is pay living wages

    Pay living wages

    All you have to be

    Is someone not filled with greed.

    Pay living wages

    Oh I know it'll be great

    to not anticipate

    Your warehouse going up in smoke and fire

    If you pay us some more

    Your assets won't become s'mores

    Because you paid

    Some living wages

    You might even like

    Not being shot at

    But if you don't pay us

    Then get ready for contact

    But if it were me,

    I'd distribute happily

    Some living wages

    Some living wages

    All I wanna be

    Is someone who gets to see

    Some living wages 🎶

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    AURORA BOREALIS?! At this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your warehouse?!

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago

    Warehouses just do that sometimes.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I hope we never find out who it is and whoever did it knows they have our support.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    It was probably an electrical fire caused by the CEO of the company following ai instructions on how to hide his mistress's pregnancy from his wife, so I'm sure the CEO will find some poor working patsy

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    American Spring.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago*

    So we march day and night,

    By the big cooling towers.

    They have the plant,

    We have the power.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    This is God's will

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    The '7 warehouse fires' claim is unverified. Only 2-3 can be confirmed, and accounts like @ProudSocialist are framing unrelated incidents as a coordinated uprising. That's not journalism, it's narrative-building.

    Abdulkarim said on video: "All you had to do was pay us enough to f*cking live. That's not revolutionary ideology. That's a 29-year-old warehouse worker who snapped.

    Political violence in the U.S. is rising, that's documented. It's reaching levels not seen since the 1970s. Meanwhile, overall crime is actually falling. So what we're seeing isn't a general breakdown in society. It's targeted desperation in a country where working people feel increasingly squeezed.

    History shows that sustained, organized labor action (strikes, unions, collective bargaining) has done more to improve working conditions than any fire ever has. The most effective 'anti-capitalist' movement in American history was the labor movement, and it won through solidarity, not sabotage."

    Accounts on the left are celebrating these fires as class warfare. Accounts on the right will use them to paint all workers as dangerous radicals. Both are exploiting real suffering for engagement. Neither is offering solutions.

    You don't need to fabricate a revolution to prove that working people are struggling. A man burned down a warehouse because he couldn't afford to live on his wages, and that fact alone should be enough to demand change. But celebrating arson isn't solidarity. It's spectacle. And spectacle doesn't pay rent. If you actually care about the working class, put your energy into the things that have historically worked: organizing, striking, voting, and building collective power.

    Anything else is just content.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    History shows that sustained, organized labor action (strikes, unions, collective bargaining) has done more to improve working conditions than any fire ever has.

    the Haitian Revolution, literally started with enslaved workers burning hundreds of plantations to the ground.

    The American Revolution (torching the HMS Gaspée)

    The French Revolution (burning the Paris toll barriers).

    Pretending that literal fire and sabotage haven't historically been the exact sparks that destroy oppressive systems is just painfully naive.

    Accounts on the right will use them to paint all workers as dangerous radicals. Both are exploiting real suffering for engagement. Neither is offering solutions.

    The right is already putting people in camps. This event doesn't give them an excuse to hurt workers. They already are.

    The solution is socialism. The workers must own the means of production. Having a few private individuals own and control so much of the wealth is the problem and ending it is the solution

    I also find the idea that the left is exploiting real suffering because of the celebration of these fires, so silly its laughable.

    But celebrating arson isn't solidarity. It's spectacle.

    What do you think working class people bonding over celebrating these fires leads too? This doesn't hurt class solidarity but you know what does? Comments lecturing people that liking it is bad.

    put your energy into the things that have historically worked: organizing, striking, voting, and building collective power.

    Definitely agree with organizing/collective power and striking which is just an exercise of that power but voting? Source needed lol.

    Summary: your comment was silly and you should feel silly. 🫳🎤

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    You're right that I oversimplified. Property destruction has always punctuated successful movements, and I shouldn't pretend otherwise. The Tea Party, sit-ins, suffragette window-smashing. Disruption is part of the toolkit.

    Having said that, your three examples all share features that don't apply here: pre-democratic conditions, no legal redress, and, crucially, organized political infrastructure that the fire punctuated rather than replaced. The colonists had no seat in Parliament, but the Sons of Liberty had been running committees of correspondence for years before the Gaspée burned. The French monarchy hadn't convened the Estates General in 175 years, but sans-culotte sections were functioning political bodies before they were rioters. Haitian slaves had no ballot, but maroon networks existed for generations before the plantations lit up. In every case, the fire was punctuation on a sentence that was already being written. A Compton warehouse worker has the right to vote, however degraded that channel is, and vastly more material standing than anyone in your three examples. Context matters.

    Important to this is this is that in our current context, Chenoweth and Stephan's data (hundreds of campaigns, 1900–2006) shows nonviolent movements succeed roughly twice as often and are about 10x more likely to produce durable democratic outcomes. That's not a moral claim, it is a strategic one. The movements that actually built worker power in conditions like ours, 1930s labor, Civil Rights, the UFW, won through disciplined organizing, not arson. The ones that went the other way got the Reign of Terror and Napoleon, or a century of crippling indemnity and isolation. Fire ends things; it doesn't build them.

    Where I think you're actually right is on voting. "Vote harder" alone is weak. The real lever is organized labor and sustained civic infrastructure, and the U.S. has systematically dismantled both since the 1970s. That's the fight. Celebrating fires feels like solidarity but functions as content. And content is exactly what the attention economy wants from us instead of organizing.

    And when fires have come without that scaffolding, they've usually backfired. The 1968 riots after King's assassination were a human response to grief, but the political result was Nixon's "law and order" realignment, which has been shaping American politics for almost sixty years. The Weather Underground bombings hollowed out a broad New Left coalition and gave the right a permanent talking point. The 2020 property destruction is the one in living memory: BLM's public support polled higher before the arson got sustained coverage than it ever did after. The peaceful mass mobilization moved the needle. The fires moved it back. Fire without scaffolding doesn't just fail to build, it gives the other side exactly the footage they need.

    If the fires are a symptom of how squeezed working people are, I'm with you. If they're being sold as the strategy, I think the historical record and the data both say we lose that way.

    And look, the reason I'm pushing on this isn't to lecture anyone for feeling good about a warehouse burning. I get it. The reason I'm pushing is that the stuff that actually works is boring. Honor a picket line. Donate to a strike fund. Join a workplace organizing effort, you're legally protected to do that even without a formal union. Show up to a tenant union meeting. Vote in a municipal election where turnout is 18 percent and your ballot is worth ten. None of that trends. None of it feels like solidarity the way a fire does. But it's the stuff that built the 40-hour week, and dismantling it is what got us here. If the choice is between content that feels like power and organizing that builds it, I'd rather we pick the second one, even when it's slow.

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