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[–] 83 points 7 months ago

The Philippines were named after a Spanish king, King Phillip, or Felippe in Spanish. Given that the country was first controlled by the Spanish for ages, then the Americans, I'm guessing that at first the Spanish name for both the people and the territory was used, but when the Americans took over, the English-ified name of the territory was used, while the Spanish name for the people stuck as colonial powers use the name for the territory more often? Perhaps the Filipino diaspora also plays a role in this. I don't know, just my guess.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    You could easily replace 'googling' to 'Interneting'.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    If “Googling” falls into common usage to cover all web search, Alphabet lose their trademark protection…

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    "Kleenex" being more common than "facial tissue" is not hurting the Kleenex brand at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Kleenex has not reached the stage where they’ve lost the trademark. Also everyone I know just says tissue.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    My point is if you want to hurt Google advertising for them hoping they lose the trademark is not going to do it. Naming whatever alternative search engine you used to spread awareness is much more effective.

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  • [–] 49 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    And is pronounced "Pilipino" by most Filipinos. But my Filipino wife, who grew up in South Carolina, had a friend who said "Flippin-o". So that's what we say now, lol.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    That's not because of the spelling but because of the language. Just like Indonesian, the language doesn't distinguish between f and p, because they're basically the same letter (one is a plosive and one is a fricative but that's it). In Indonesian you'll hear fancake and coppee, for example.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I knew a Pilipino family that seemed to pronounce it both ways.

    I tend to think it’s due to those around them. Like this kid I knew from school who came from the UK; with us as his friends, he had an American accent like the rest of us. But as soon as he talked to his parents or his sister, he had this heavy English accent. He seemed to be aware of it but had no control over it.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    How did this question never occur to me before? Now i need to know the answer too

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    it was an Spanish colony for 300 years, Filipino is the Spanish spelling, and probably stuck, in English would have been "Philippine"

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I always remember the 'pp' by imagining it as some suburban estate. "Philip Pines"

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    English, misspelling and never admitting mistakes go hand in hand.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Why is Kansas, "cansus", while Arkansas is "R-cansaw"?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Kansas is named for the Kaw People Native American Nation (or Kanza) and Arkansas is named for the Quapaw Nation. Algonquian-speaking people originally referred to the Quapaw as "Akansa". French fur traders called them Arcansas.

    I grew up in Kansas and we called it Ar-kansas.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I have a relative in NJ who says Arkansas like Kansas with the hard S. He says it's a local thing but I think he's just trying to be different.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I think most of those "this is how the locals say it" things are clinging to a fading past. My favorite was a Kitchen Nightmares episode where the owner tells Gordon Ramsay that New Orleans is pronounced "Naw-Lins" (with some drawl, not sure how to write that exactly), but every other time before and after, he says "New Orleans".

    I grew up near Baltimore, which people variously insisted should be "Bee-mer", "Balmer" or... A couple others. The only one I've seen actually play out is residents of NYC primarily referring to it as "The City", but that one is also pretty normal, so it makes sense that it would survive.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Lol

    Guangzhou is spelled with the Pinyin

    But the local language is not called "Guangzhouese", its Cantonese, but the city is not called "Canton"

    lmao

    Also: Petition to rename my city to "Filadelfia" 🤭

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Canton was originally the transliterated name for the province of Guangdong, which is why the language is called Cantonese in English, from guǎngdōnghuà.

    The name Canton being applied to Guangzhou came later.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Hey Filipino here - i honestly don't know the answer (or maybe I'm too old to remember my history class) but as per Wikipedia

    The name Filipino, as a demonym, was derived from the term las Islas Filipinas 'the Philippine Islands', the name given to the archipelago in 1543 by the Spanish explorer and Dominican priest Ruy López de Villalobos, in honor of Philip II of Spain.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipinos

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    that doesn't answer the question of why F vs PH

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    When it became a US colony they changed it.

    That was printed on maps. The people still referred to themselves with the original spelling.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Two things: Competing colonial interests and the orthographic differences between Spanish and English

    The Spanish Empire took control of the Philippines and named the named the islands Las Islas Filipinas or just Las Filipinas which is still today used in Spanish to this day. It was named for the Spanish king at the time of the conquest: Rey Felipe II. Why the change from FE-lipe to FI-lipinas? I don't know.

    Towards the end of the 1800s, The Spanish Empire is crumbling and their last remaining territories (Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam and Las Filipinas) is taken by the USA. The US changes the name to the English-inflected The Philippines because English for, some reason, uses to two "F" sounds: "F" and "PH." Spanish only has one: "F."

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Because the English language is rife with tradition that makes the language intentionally more complicated.

    I have postulated for years that you can just get rid of ph from the language entirely and it will make absolutely no difference in how we say the words.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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    My issue with gif and graphical

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Gotta buy a new JPU for better Jrafix

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    Actually, the G in GPU stands for Giraffe. Hardware has gotten quite sophisticated over the years, and are no longer optimized for rendering triangles. If you can render a giraffe you can render anything.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Just remind yourself that the pronunciation of an acronym is completely unrelated to the pronunciation of the component words.

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    The guy who created gif says jif, so that one, for starters. I'm sure you say CD-ROM in a way that rhymes with rom-com (side note, rom is wrongly a short O here too) with a short O, yet ROM stands for Read Only Memory. Or do you say See Dee Rome? Maybe with a Spanish background, but not English. Similar with PIN, I for identification but no one says pine. GIMP photo software stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program. Whether you say Gee Enn Yoo or GNU, GIMP isn't said a way that matches. The G in GLaDOS is for genetic. PAL (TV) is for Phase Alternating Line. PHAT, pretty hot and attractive. 50% of any time a Q is involved.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    The guy who created gif says jif, so that one

    I'm not going to believe a troll. He's just seeing if he get away with fucking with people

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    Get down from your giant giraffe and ride a high horse like everyone else. Or do you say "high" with a "g" like "gift"?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    The exceptions likely have etymological explanations. Note that they're exceptions -- the norm is that word-initial G make a G sound and not a J sound.

    When we steal a word and its spelling from another language, that's how we get exceptions.

    When someone invents a word and changes the rules, that's how we spot a troll.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    So what you're saying is the creator of a word can define its pronunciation that supercedes the current language's rules?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    FBI In not I like pie CIA Same SCUBA u like you, not I u like under

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    JPEG. Joint Photographic Experts Group. SCUBA. If it followed the pronunciation of the component words it would sound like "scubba". LASER. That's just off the top of my head.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Gotta say, pronouncing it as /dʒɪf/ is just top tier trolling. Everyone knows that /ɡɪf/ is the only one that actually makes sense, but some people intentionally choose to pronouns it wrong anyway. Steve Wilhite saw an opportunity to leave his mark on the world by trolling the hell out of everything, so he took it. Who could resist an opportunity like that.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago

    Probably something to do with Tagalog vs English, and the English named the Philippines

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