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[–] 273 points 7 months ago (48 children)

Smart TVs are really just somebody else's computer that you paid for to watch ads on.

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  • [–] 105 points 7 months ago (29 children)

    This. There is a reason why dumb displays of a similar size are much more expensive. Because the manufacturer can't feed you ads and sell your data ...

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (27 children)

    I don't understand the need for those. My smart tv is functioning exactly as a computer monitor. It is connected via a display connection to my computer, and nothing else. It does show a brief warning that it is unconnected to the internet whenever I turn it on, but it disappears after 10 seconds or so.

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  • [–] 66 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    Yeah, but that's not how most people use Smart TVs. Also, they're still coming for you, next up they'll try to insert ads via HDMI. and good luck finding a Smart TV with display port.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    It's a possibility with chromebooks because of the google ad network, but I can't see why consoles, linux, mac, even windows tbh, has any incentive to support this. At best, they might make it an option, but there's nothing in it for them. It actively makes their content look worse, while an ad supported OS like windows already has capability to place ads anyway.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    $$$

    Consoles are a shrinking market. If they were offered money by TV manufacturers to cooperate with putting more ads on it, they most certainly will.

    And I suspect Microsoft/Windows will too. Apple might not, though.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Yeah. Apple is plenty evil but not having ads is, generally, part of their “premium feel.” There are exceptions to this, unfortunately, especially recently.

    But I definitely don’t regret doing a factory reset on my LG TV and hooking up an Apple TV.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (6 children)

    Ads via HDMI shouldn't work if the TV doesn't have internet connection, by my understanding. So I do not see any problems there.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    oh don't worry, they'll start participating in mesh networks with your neighbors' smart devices and getting internet access that way

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    TVs often do a bad job at switching on when the computer turns on, then off when it turns off/goes to sleep. Drives me spare. That was fixed in like 1995-2000 for normal monitors.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    CEC has been around for years. This is probably more an issue with the PC in question rather than the TV. TVs do an excellent job at turning themselves on when CEC is enabled. 👍

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    PCs have almost never supported CEC. PCs use a different signalling method to indicate to the monitor that they're on/off.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly. So they aren't talking with the same protocol. TVs can turn themselves on, but PCs just don't send the required signals. ✔️

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    And now look how high $ CRTs are, even the low end ones.

    I'll never get rid of mine. You can't get a 0 ms latency TV with zero "features" anymore. And those commercial TVs dont come with remotes. I never liked how flat screens look either. Laggy and awful colors. I'm sure a $3000 oled is great but no thanks

    I also despise massive TVs so another win. People with 80" TVs in their living room are just ick.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    The same reason i stopped playing on Consoles since the PS2 - there was no good reason for the People to get this kind of things on the internet.

    It was just good for the Business to hold the connection to you and control whatever they produced.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    I got a PS3 and a PS4 so I wouldn't need to use Windows for gaming. That's not an issue anymore, though.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Steamdeck here and the last time i played on Windows was like 2015/2016 but never again after Win10 shutdown my System for an Update while i played a LoL ranked Game.. That was the last Time i used Windows for privat use. After that i formated the HDD and installed Linux Mint

    I'm still very happy with this decision

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I thought LoL was one of the games that require windows for kernel level anticheat?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Yes, but at least the kernel Anti Cheat belongs since 2024 i belive? There was a long Time before DXVK or Proton you can play nearly nothing on Linux but LoL worked "okayish". Nothing close to play ranked but for a casual normal game it was good enought to let me switch to Linux this times and ditch Windows at all

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Commercial TVs are so worth the extra cost. Recently got a Samsung Commercial Non-Smart TV and paired it with my $20 debloated/deGoogled Onn 4K Streaming box from Walmart. Bam, got a media setup that I fully own.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    $453.00 # 43" Samsung HU6000F Non-Smart Hospitality TV with Pro:Idiom for Set Top Box Deployments

    Nice!

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    yeah I got a bit lazy there, at 55 inches you are at $604

    When you go to 65 though its $1004 so pretty big jump.

    Oddly enough going from 65 to 75 is only another ~375 USD (1377)

    To me the best deal seems like 50 or 55 inches, although your room size and seating positions are likely the most important.

    Also interesting if you're in the USA Best Buy does have some non-smart TVs and even a filter for it, although its mostly no-name brands or Samsung.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Thanks for fleshing out the full picture. So perhaps the largest TVs at the store are getting some pretty big subsidies, courtesy Advertising Inc.

    And good tip on Best Buy. Thank you. What an informative lil comment, Leo 😎

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Link to tv box? And did you have to debload/degoogle it yourself?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    This really has nothing to do with Smart TVs in itself though.. It's just a problem if you choose to play YouTube videos on your TV, which seems like a pretty reasonable thing to want to do.

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  • [–] 150 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Youtube: "GOD PEOPLE KEEP SKIPPING ADS, WHAT CAN WE DO TO STOP THIS LOSS OF REVENUE?!"

    Viewers: "Maybe have standards for length and content and moderate the platform to prevent malicious actors?"

    Youtube: "I KNOW, I'LL JUST MAKE FORCED ADS LONGER AND MORE OBNOXIOUS!"

    Viewers: "JUST MODERATE YOUR FUCKING PLATFORM, YOU HAVE THE MONEY AND RESOURCES TO FUCKING DO IT"

    Youtube: "Users are just so selfish and entitled, trying to skip ads.."

    Viewers: " Fuck it installs ublock origin

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  • [–] 49 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    If you grew up with commercial TV, not only is the frequency of ads on youtube bad, but the placement--in the middle of a sentence or a scene--is mentally and emotionally destructive.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    When cable TV first came out it didn’t have ads because you were paying for the service. When Sirius satellite radio came out it didn’t have ads because you were paying for the service. When Netflix streaming came…

    Adding ads to YouTube was always the plan.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Also Youtube: DONT INSTALL UBLOCK ORIGIN OR WE'LL REMOVE YOUTUBE SHORTS!!!!

    Viewers:

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  • [–] 131 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    I will sit on my floor with nothing, for hours, before i watch ads.

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  • [–] 54 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Ive been getting back to reading myself. Media's become so overstimulating

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Same I just bought a used kindle and jail broken it so now I have a huge library to go through and I have downloaded a bunch of movies and tv shows to my media server as well

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    So true! Also, productive screentime has been nice. Instead of doomscrolling or mindlessly zoning out to video essays, I've been programming, doing some 3D modeling for 3D printing, working on some simple games, and reading long form articles from my own curated news feed.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    I had a book once that had a full color spread for the movie in the middle of the book. Obviously this was a skippable ad, but still, it’s inescapable.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I've been collecting old books for years. Currently slogging through Mellives collection of stories printed in 1968. Could find a copy of the book turned movie, printed before the movie?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Some of those old books had ads for cigarettes in them! Mostly the cheaper paperbacks. For some reason it wasn't as annoying, it was more of a historical artifact, an indication of the context in which the book was originally read.

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  • [–] 58 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    "unskippable"

    I haven't seen an ad on YouTube for years, with 2 simple browser plugins. Assuming you're on a PC:

    Ublock Origin Sponsor Block

    If you're using chrome, you already fucked up.

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  • [+] -36 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The same fucking comment every single time.

    This platform is so predictable.

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Ublock must be blocking them. Huh, oh well.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I have noticed lately that in FF with ublock the videos have refused to play for an ad like length of time. Probably ab testing something.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    If the video refuses to play, just reload the page. That fixes it for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah I don't wait for it either but it does cause me click the play button a few times and watch the throbber spin for a second before I do.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I notice that I don't pay attention to videos as much any more. It's just stuff playing in the background while I game or edit an image or browse piefed or something. So if it "hangs" for a couple seconds while ublock fights the ads, it doesn't really bother me.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    AFAIK that is youtube delaying the video stream on purpose because you were supposed to watch ads in that time. If you wait 5-10 seconds it will start playing. For me it happens only on the first video, and autoplay is still instant afterwards. I am gladly waiting out the loading screen than watch ads. Knowing that I probably make google lose money on every view makes the wait even more bearable (I am never logged in, and anyways I always run youtube in private mode, so there's almost no profiling happening)

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    Well, i wont watch ads. If it comes to it i'd rather have a program thats recording videos in real time so i can skip the ad segments later in my recording like in the good old vhs times.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    This should only become a necessary solution if YouTube invents a way to inject ads directly into the video stream of the video you're watching, like old school broadcasting.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That is sort of what sponsored segments are, and what sponsorblock is quite effective at dealing with.

    If they're injected on the fly at variable time points, it gets harder, but I suspect fingerprinting could work well enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    uBlock Origin and revanced are still effective at blocking. Sponsorskip (available as a Firefox plugin or built into revanced) even skip sponsored segments inside videos!

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