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[–] 144 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (18 children)

This needs to be updated.

Getting hit by a pickup truck at 30 MPH is similar to getting hit by a Honda Civic at 120 MPH for kinetic energy.

That's besides the fact that pickups have a much taller hood vs sedans so there are significantly higher rates of head/internal injury.

Taller cars and trucks are more dangerous for pedestrians, according to crash data

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/complete-streets-chicago/home/traffic-safety/vehicle-size-and-speed.html

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  • [–] 43 points 7 months ago

    Your math is wrong. Kinetic energy scales linearly with mass, quadratically with speed. The graphic you included supports the idea that at same speed, the pickup truck has double the KE. The 120 mph sedan has dramatically more KE than a 30 mph pickup.

    Assuming that your sedan has exactly half the mass of the pickup, it would match a 30 mph pickup's KE at 30*sqrt(2) mph, which is somewhere between 40 and 45 mph.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    There's quite a large discrepancy between this image and OPs image. This image says the survival rate of 30 mph (48 kph) is 60%, while OP's image says 50 kph it's at 20%. I wish they included a source for the data that could explain it.

    This is the same issue I take with braking distance scales. They often vary wildly, and some don't even follow a quadratic increase in distance like you'd expect.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    The energy difference is only really relevant if the thing you're hitting is significantly heavier or at least similarly heavy like a house or another car. For a person it's still much worse, but that is moreso because of the high hood of the car.

    I know pickup trucks are heavy, but I'm surprised they are 16 times heavier than a Honda civic. The more you learn.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I got hit by a large SUV doing between 30mph and 40mph a few years ago. I can’t tell you why or how, but I had a split second to twist and plant my hands on the hood and jump so I went up instead of under. Went into the windshield (broke it) and then got launched when she slammed on the brakes. It put my radius and ulna into my hands, my back into my guts, and knocked my brain so hard I gave the emergency crew a phone number that belonged to a girlfriend I’d broken up with almost 20yrs prior. Took me a year to be able to write again, not just physically. I’d start putting words to paper and end up with gibberish because between my brain and my hand it didn’t connect. Had to leave post-it notes around the house as a check list- did you eat, bathe, brush your teeth, feed the dogs, piss? My ability to sleep was wrecked, no circadian rythym. I don’t entirely believe in fate, but how the fuck that didn’t kill or cripple me boggles my mind (what’s left of it) daily.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    So my curved front sports car is totally safe to ram into pedestrians with?

    /S

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I'd rather be hit by that at 20 MPH instead of a full duty lifted pickup with a fresh shiny paint job on chrome wheels (mall crawlers)

    I don't think pickup trucks should be banned. They should be commercial use only. It's not a family car or a daily driver.

    Fuck mall crawlers

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And then there is the SUV class. Aka the non-passenger work vehicle family passenger vehicle.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    So they passed laws for emissions and fuel efficiency of passenger vehicles to help with pollution.

    These laws force MPG ratings on sedans and SUVs. But they're looser for trucks. Car manufacturers realized its also looser since its calculated by weight.

    So these fuckers decide to build SUVs on pickup truck frames and make pickups even bigger so they don't have to tighten up the fuel efficiency...

    This is one of the main reasons there are so many bigger class vehicles being made now.

    Add in all the new LED headlights. Which are too bright because the regulations are outdated based on wattage instead of lumens.

    So you have taller vehicles with brighter headlights blinding everyone.

    I'm at the point where I'm aiming for a SUV instead of a sedan for my next car...

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    We wouldn't have so much trouble with this if all men had the same size dick.

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    [–] 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Man I'd hate to be one of the 40 subjects of this experiment

    Spoiler/s if that wasnt obvious

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    [–] 18 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Great now do SUVs for the Americans. Go ahead and assume they are not simultaneously being shot at just for the purpose of keeping the simulation simple.

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    [–] 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Damn. I didn't realize it was so drastic. 100% fatality rate seems crazy, even rounded

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  • [+] 13 points 7 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I live near an intersection. Drivers will ten second horn blast because someone won't crawl up the arse of the car in front of them just so horatio can mount the kerb and get into a sliplane they can't exit until the lights change anyway

    So what i'm saying is you're underselling the stupidity

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    How dare they put an authoritarian surveillance system (speed camera) near the school. This is an unfair tax on normal people. Its not about safety, it is about control. - most of my city until the province outlawed speed cameras entirely.

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  • [+] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    You are right, but there were also several studies done that proved the speed cameras lowered speeda significantly, even after the camera had been relocated.

    Lets not let perfect be the enemy of good. Those cameras reduced speeds and generated revenue for the city that was specifically dedicated to making streets safer, including bollards, lane narrowing and speed humps. The removal of the cameras both made the streets more dangerous, and cut funding for real safety improvements. All because speeders were getting caught speeding and considered that unfair.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    Kinetic energy = mass*velocity^2 in action. Faster you go the harder you stop.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    There’s a new neighbor at the end of our street with small children. She always puts one of those green children at play signs in her front yard, yet insists on driving 25-30mph down our suburban street. The rest of the neighbors hate her.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    At least motorcycles are fair. If the pedestrian dies, you die as well

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I remember a public safety ad being shown that showed the difference in either 30 and 35mph or 30 and 40mph. Was quite dramatic.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This one was quite widespread in UK TV, it was one of the first government films to use such shocking imagery and dark themes, 40mph vs 30mph. it's probably a bit mild by today's standards, but it was notorious at the time..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEzLQJV_z8w

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Local news:

    https://www.koin.com/local/clackamas-county/notorious-intersection-portland-driver-speeds-hits-car-before-crash-milwaukie-police-say/

    "The officer spotted a grey BMW going 87 MPH in a 40 MPH zone"

    For our European friends:

    87 MPH = 140 KPH
    40 MPH = 64.4 KPH

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Jokes on you, I don't know kilometers

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    somebody posted this in the comment above yours 13 minutes before you commented ☞

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I'm guilty of this when using a web browser, I'll scroll down a page and open relevant posts into new tabs until I've accrued several. Sometimes I don't get to them for quite a while so if I upvote it's surprising how high the number jumps until I realize it's sat there for half a day.

    I try to refresh when commenting because 9/10 times someone else has already commented the same thing since the internet is dead but sometimes I forget.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    okay but don't fuck it at any faster than 30 kph

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Mass times velocity equals FUBAR...

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Mass times velocity squared, that's why the huge difference in outcome for small changes in speed

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    A sense of humor is terrible thing to waste...

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    After watching Gen V, “fuck cars” got a different connotation.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Oh neat, I'm one of the green people in the first two rows. Not 100% sure how fast they were going, somewhere in that range. Just glad it was a short sedan and not a big truck/SUV. I live in the US, could've easily been a truck and ran over me instead of me toppling onto the hood.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)