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[–] 41 points 7 months ago (25 children)

Actually hard to explain to kids

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Kids have a simplistic worldview. "They catch bad guys" is probably enough.

    The truth of course is pretty different... But I don't think they have the context needed to understand that.

    But then again if you just say that then you won't have a kid this cool:

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    It's simple enough unless you have brown skin. Then unfortunately you need to have a deeper conversation from a much younger age.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Or even if your kid is white but goes to school with black kids. I don't want him living in a different reality than them. He's going to have to know cops aren't always good, and we've started explaining already. He's 3 and they have already sent copaganda coloring books home, really alarming shit.

    I have been toying with the idea of writing a children's book about this, and one about comparative religion for toddlers (your grandmother's Jesus stories are just stories, kiddo) but publishing children's books is hard even if they're not controversial, so, no that won't be happening.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    He's 3 and they have already sent copaganda coloring books home, really alarming shit.

    What were they about

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    Teaching kids words like "suspect" and "officer" and "stun device" (not kidding). Meant to teach kids that cops are friendly.

    His mom looked it up, and the cop who "wrote" the book has been charged with spousal rape, so, yeah.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I’ve been having more nuanced discussions with my white kid since he’s been asking too (8 yo) It’s important for everyone to know.

    Then again my dad taught me the same, he got tear gassed protesting Vietnam and was harassed for having long hair in the 70s.

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  • [+] -10 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    There are bad people in the world these brave men and women are here to protect you from the bad men and women.

    Seems pretty simple to me.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Ohh no people enforcing the rules of society as decided by democracy.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Unfortunately, the rules aren't very good, and unfortunately they dont even abide by the rules that are good.

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The rules are decided by democracy take it up with society or go find a king to rally behind. And we have the court system to ensure that cops who don't follow the rules are held accountable.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And we have the court system to ensure that cops who don’t follow the rules are held accountable.

    And you think that's what happens?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah if u want a recent example go check out what's been happening in afromans life

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    That's a completely tangential thing. They failed in their lawsuit against Afroman, but they're not in any way being held accountable.

    Were you lying on purpose or did you really not understand what that lawsuit was about?

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    [–] 34 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    What blows me away is that this tweet was written in 2017.

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    [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Its completely unnatural to be a cop...

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  • [+] -37 points 7 months ago (25 children)

    Cops are human, and like all humans they can make mistakes and have flaws just like us. Yes their jobs is to protect us but its OK to ask questions.

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Internet users when someone has an opinion:

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    People are allowed to be wrongheaded on the internet.

    Relatedly, people are also allowed to ridicule people or downvote them when they are wrongheaded on the internet.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (7 children)
  • [+] -17 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    The world is not black and white, painting a black picture of a whole group, without middle ground, is ignorant and unhelpful. This is coming frame a raging liberal. Be rationale, intelligent, not reactive.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    BIPOC, when seeing a cop, do not stop and think "Well I wonder if this is a good one or a bad one." They just make a split second recognition and go with it - for their own safety. To them, cops are dangerous. So to me, cops are dangerous. If cops don't want that reputation, well they need to make some big changes.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Yes their jobs is to protect us

    actually the Supreme Court specifically said it isn't, you don't seem to know what you're talking about

    You're also conflating a group of individuals with the system that they choose to join. Individual cops are human, sure, but The Police are not, and they hold special legal privileges that make each and every one a danger to humans everywhere they patrol. And since joining The Police is a choice, individual cops may be judged accordingly for willingly becoming part of that system.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Ok so all police are bad, even if there are good hearted individuals that try to make a difference in a community, just because they joined a police force. I find that logic silly and extremely rigid, but fine. What exactly is your alternative? What should be happening instead? Maintaining a basic rule of law and society is kind of important, and as fucked up police forces are they're fulfilling some of the tasks. The problem is more about how to have accountability in police forces, not just wholesale disenfranchisement. Divisive dismissing of any race, group, organization or entity isn't helpful and is ignorant. It makes the problems worst, not better. You become what you loathe.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Ok so all police are bad, even if there are good hearted individuals that try to make a difference in a community, just because they joined a police force

    Again, it's not about individual cops, it's about The Police. The Police have legal structures that protect them from the consequences of abusing citizens. So your average citizen is absolutely completely justified in treating every cop like they are bad, because they might be, and there is no way to know the difference, and the judicial system is on their side. If cops don't want to be treated like villains, they should be loudly and frequently advocating for changes to the system of The Police. If they can't even do that, how are you supposed to tell them from a bad cop who wants to hurt you?

    What should be happening instead? Maintaining a basic rule of law and society is kind of important

    I agree, in fact I think there should be more rules, like ones that protect the rights of citizens from government overreach and police brutality.

    Divisive dismissing of any race, group, organization or entity isn’t helpful and is ignorant

    Sorry but you're the one being silly. Again, cops choose to join the police, and it is completely incomparable to race. You are a fool.

    It makes the problems worst, not better

    Actually I think people advocating for better policing instead of just deepthroating "cops good" makes the problem better.

    You become what you loathe.

    "No u" wow so intelligent, you should write a book.

    The solution is simple, if you want people to respect police, the police need to become respectable. As it stands they can abuse you with near impunity, so they get fear and disdain.

    Why are you more concerned with the fear and disdain rather than the abuse?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Actually I think people advocating for better policing instead of just deepthroating “cops good” makes the problem better.

    Where did I 'deep throat cops good'? You are sensitive and over reacting to a simple utterance and appreciation that cops are both good and bad. All people, all things, are some mix of good and bad and various ratios.

    The solution is simple, if you want people to respect police, the police need to become respectable. As it stands they can abuse you with near impunity, so they get fear and disdain.

    This is the only thing you've said I've agreed with, but what exactly are you going to do about it? You ask why am I more concerned with the the fear and disdain; because it causes apathy. Apathy breeds indifference and/or hopelessness which doesn't solve any problems but propagates it. You appear firmly in the apathetic camp, its whats wrong with this country and politics in general. I'm not pretending I have the solution but the first step to moving in any direction is appreciating the subtly of everything and stop pretending its all so simple as black and white.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    Look buddy, you already demonstrated that you don't know what you're talking about when you say it's cops' job to protect people, I'm not interested in your apologia about why people are being too mean to poor ol cops.

    If you join Team I Can Hurt You And Get Away With It, don't be surprised when people treat you like you could hurt them. Don't like it? Change the team rules.

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Sir this is lemmy, you are contradicting the tankie hivemind/narrative

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Tankies, the group famously opposed to state monopoly on violence, of course.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Exactly, this is Lemmy. A decentralised platform with many varying viewpoints from tankies, to fascists, to anarchists, to the apolitical, and everything else. There is no hivemind.

    I would have thought somebody from one of the more niche servers, which has a focus on science and being apolitical, would understand that. But I guess not.

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