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Kbin is dead Mbin is the successor, both have lemmy (reddit-like) and mastodon (twitter-like) capabilities. You can submit a "tweet" and a "post" from the same platform and browse both lemmy and mastodon content.
Lemmmy is the activitypub version of reddit. PieFed is Lemmy but with the ability to see all comments and cross-posts of the same link or post, all collapsed into a single post and single thread to scroll through.
Beehaw deserves its own mention because of how cut off it is from the rest of the fediverse, its its own little walled garden, protected from all the baddies out there in the world.
All the rest is just drama surrounding the devs of all the platforms, and either their questionable political views (lemmy) or their questionable platform moderation views (piefed). So the platforms keep splintering as well as the instances on each platform. Which is a good thing its part of the fun of the fediverse.
TLDR:
- Lemmy is reddit-like with controversial developers (political views).
- Piefed is Lemmy with cross-posts collapsed to one thread, and controversial developers (moderation defaults).
- Mbin is Lemmy (reddit-like) plus mastodon (twitter-like).
- Kbin is dead.
Unless the dev of kbin returns, it's best to just forget it and think of mbin instead.
Kbin is pure kbin, made by Ernest, who is lovely but sick. Can browse lemmy/kbin/mbin content. Interface is slick and prioritized, which means it can be a bit inefficient resource-wise.
Mbin is kbin but with forked updates and frontend changes. Lighter load, little differences.
Lemmy can browse kbin/mbin/lemmy content. Created by Davel and nutomic. I think you might know about the intricacies of its interface.
Piefed, im not sure about. Very different interface and sorting.
It seems Ernest recovered, and just decided to step away after his health got better!
Unfortunately, due to personal circumstances, I had to step away from actively working on Kbin and leave its further development to the community. Nevertheless, I am happy to see the project thriving, with a dedicated group of users and contributors who continue to push its vision forward.
Open-source has always been important to me, and while I am no longer involved with Kbin, I still believe in the power of community and the potential of open technologies to shape the future of the internet.
The dev of Lemmy is an asshole, full stop. He's also incredibly pro Russian and pro Chinese, but first and foremost, he's an intolerable asshole.
You'll get banned from his Lemmy instance if you dare to suggest that Russia or China issue propaganda.
And he is a large part of the reason why all the "tankie", i.e. pro-communist Lemmy instances, have cultures of such obnoxious anti-intellectualism.
All work with the activitypub protocol and are interoperable. There are others which are more like microblogging instead of post aggregation, like mastodon.
Lemmy is the most popular but the dev has some strongly held ideological views which... are unusual. I'd prefer not to support their work on that basis.
Piefed is IMO a direct alternative to Lemmy. I switched to piefed several months ago and there's nothing missing. On mobile I just use a browser to access my instance' web page. It's fine.
mbin and kbin aren't viable alternatives for most users.
You don't seem to understand.
The guy who develops the software that runs on all the instances has strongly held political and societal views which are incompatible with mine.
You're welcome to be amused.
Lemmy aside, if a developer was a fascist, or paedophile, or murderer, would you use their software?
So you hold that ReiserFS instantly became evil when Hans Reiser murdered his wife, even-though ReiserFS was a filesystem, developed by multiple people .. too?
There is a Principle, which the US Marines hold to:
nazis made more-protective helmets for their troops?
Steal the design, don't accept their doctrine.
Someone made a better truck than we did?
Steal the design, don't accept their doctrine.
That's an excellent paradigm: differentiate between the technology vs the ideology.
People who hold that ideology is the whole of reality .. do profoundly-idiotic things like insist "you can't impliment efficiency, because the last person who pushed it was a nazi".
Using an ideologue's software to displace ideology, absolutely is valid use.
Same with any technology, like the barter-replacement called "money": some uses are evil, others good, & some turn it into a religion, & many insist that because some make it a religion, therefore it "inherently" is a religion, & no other relationship with it could ever be valid..
Same with the technology of a "business", by incorporating it as a Public Benefit Company, & operating it that way, even-though other corporations are operating as anti-benefit/anti-public companies.
The technology is itself, the origin is itself: they are independently themselves.
As Torvalds identified, once you release something in GPL-2, the community can't have it taken-away from them: it's theirs.
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So you hold that ReiserFS instantly became evil when Hans Reiser murdered his wife, even-though ReiserFS was a filesystem, developed by multiple people .. too?
Text book straw man, well done.
As I said, a person's work is tainted by their beliefs, or in this case actions. Reiser's work is obviously "tainted" as you've mentioned it here in this context.
Whether or not a person should continue to use the file system he developed is of course something each individual needs to weigh and decide for themselves. I note however that Reiser is not publishing essays on the art of murdering ones wife, and did not develop his filesystem with the intent of using it to host a community of murderers.
As I also said, using the software is tacit support. It's not possible to steal the design and reject the doctrine. If you use firefox or libreoffice you support mozilla and or the document foundation. If you drive a tesla that you bought second hand you support Elon Musk
As I also said, using the software is tacit support. It's not possible to steal the design and reject the doctrine. If you use firefox or libreoffice you support mozilla and or the document foundation. If you drive a tesla that you bought second hand you support Elon Musk
By that logic if you use any firefox derivative like Waterfox you also support Mozilla. So by using any browser in existence you support either Apple, Mozilla, or Google…
If you buy a Tesla second hand yes, you are supporting musk, because you increase the demand for his products. That is not the same for free products in open source software. It’s especially not free for downstream consumers. Increasing usage of Waterfox will actually decrease usage of Firefox and cause Mozilla to struggle. There’s no payment or replacement of a fixed good that needs to occur. Your logic is very off here.
We fundamentally-disagree, then:
I hold that the product isn't currently-dependent-on the person/entity that made it.
Argument-by-analogy isn't straw-man, either.
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Has it really been a month without that weird hands emoji thing you do? Wow. I haven't missed it if im honest.
Downvote everything I say, & fewer people will see it polluting their-world, right?
It costs you little to do it..
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Why not?
Because some people don't like fascists/tankies to succeed at what they do. This shouldn't need explaining.
Kinda getting into cutting off your nose to spite your face territory though, no? Like, if I take a free tool created by a fascist, then use it to fight against fascism, aren't I now hurting the fascist's cause? I fail to see how that's helping them succeed, at least at being a fascist, which I think we can agree is the more important attribute to care about here.
Obviously, because using their software is tacit or implied support for that person.
How many millions of people would say they "support" mozilla when really the only support they provide is using the free software.
A person's work is quite obviously tainted by their beliefs.
In the minds of the politically-motivated, maybe.
Not all minds are politically-motivated.
The blunt fact that people are multidimensional, & some are high-integrity-in-work while being low-integrity-in-business, or are excellent-woodworkers-while-being-family-abusers .. what a person is in 1 dimension oft has nothing to do with what they are in another.
Ideologues who insist otherwise are living within their ideology, not within actuality.
Spiders may creep many out, while their silk is one of the most astonishingly-awesome materials known.
their silk doesn't itself creep people out..
but maybe ideologues hold that it has to be creepy because to them spiders themselves are creepy..
Cult-"thinking".
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What is with the
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[Weird emoji thing sign off every single comment]
Format? Is this a bit account?
This is a wild-ass guess, as I'm no religious scholar, but Paragone's profile pic appears to be a statue of The Buddha, the emoji may represent the way Buddhists hold their hands together when bowing.
Ah yes, I forgot the strict Buddhist teaching that when using social media, enlightenment is only achieved by writing with many unnecessary line breaks, rambling, and emoji sign offs. Buddha really knew how to fire off a mean tweet and led by example for us all to follow. Thank you for reminding me.
i just want to point out that "threadiverse" made me flinch like an abused dog, that's associated with facebook and thus tainted by original sin.
The proper term is "fediverse" which just means "anything that uses the ActivityPub protocol", which yes means it includes things like mastodon, but that's because despite their differences you can in fact interact with lemmy stuff from mastodon, so it makes sense!
“Threadiverse” was used before Facebook. Threadiverse refers to a sub verse of the Fediverse.
- Lemmy
- PieFed
- Mbin
It’s different software, doing the same thing differently.
Just like all the different forks of Mastodon.
Not sure about kbin and mbin but the difference is lemmy is owned by left wing devs who focus on stability while piefed is owned by conservative liberals who focus on bleeding edge and rapidly implementing half baked features (if you like this than good for you I guess, also with lemmy the personal politics of the devs dont really extend much beyond their instance while piefed is more than happy to enforce politics through code).
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