The Guardian - US

[–] tover153@lemmy.world 111 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I'd really like to know what illegal order he wouldn't follow that got up whiskey Pete's nose. Maybe it will all come out at the trials that will eventually have to happen.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 39 points 7 months ago

I’m honestly more interested to meet a service member that says “no, thats an illegal order, fuck you” instead of gracefully resigning and minimizing the problem, while clearing the way for a sycophant to step in.

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[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 71 points 7 months ago

Maybe it will all come out at the trials that will eventually have to happen.

Christ I wish I had your optimism.

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[–] Keilik@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

Never discount the possibility that hegseth is just trying to scapegoat him instead too.

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

I may be misunderstanding the situation but apparently George and another general were trying to promote a list of people, 2 were black and 2 were women. Hegseth blocked their promotions and demanded those 4 be removed from the promotion list. George said no because of their exemplary service and excellence or something like that so Hegseth fired him.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago

This is what the New York Times sources reported, yes.

Short excerpt of the paywalled article:

Two of the officers targeted by Mr. Hegseth are Black and two are women on a promotion list that consisted of 29 other officers, most of whom are white men. Mr. Hegseth’s highly unusual decision to remove the officers prompted some senior military officials to question whether they were being singled out because of their race or gender, officials said.

Mr. Hegseth had been pressing Mr. Driscoll and General George for months to remove the officers from the promotion list. But Mr. Driscoll and General George refused, citing the officers’ long records of exemplary service.

Two weeks ago, General George asked Mr. Hegseth to meet with him to discuss the removal of the four officers from the one-star list, as well as the general’s view that Mr. Hegseth was interfering unnecessarily in Army personnel decisions overall, the officials said. Mr. Hegseth refused to meet with General George about the matter, they said.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

Maybe they're going to actually order bombing desalination plants like they've threatened. A clear war crime that any self respecting soldier should want nothing to do with.

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[–] aquovie@lemmy.cafe 30 points 7 months ago (1 child)

One less person saying "no" to a land invasion of Iran :(

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Or one less person who indicated that he wouldn't open fire on US citizens.

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[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

How dare you suspend helicopter pilots saying hello to that old lady in Nashville!

[–] MCGiorgi@piefed.ca 40 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Cleaning house just before the illegal orders start flying off of trumps desk.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 22 points 7 months ago

Before? They've been flying for quite a while now.

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[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Randy George is kind of an upgrade from curious George.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago*

Update Reportedly he refused to remove 2 black men and 2 women from a list of people to promote to 1-star general, that's why Hegseth fired him

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago (4 children)

If he had integrity, he wouldn't step down.

Anyone that stands up to facists by "getting out of the way" is a piece of shit.

Stay and make them waste time effort and money getting rid of you, but all these shitbags care more about their retirements than their country. And the bars so low that idiots applaud them as heroes for self preservation.

Fuck everyone involved in this shitshow.

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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

For the sake of argument let's say he did that and intentionally slowed things down as much as possible.

Fast forward four years from now. You're a DOJ prosecutor under the new administration looking to level charges against high ranking military officers who gave the green light to some of Trump's war crimes.

How could you tell the Army Chief of Staff did what he could to prevent those crimes? He didn't resign. He didn't publicly denounce the actions or refuse to pass the orders down the chain of command (if he did he would have been canned). He didn't give his story to a journalist or recommend to Congress that Trump be impeached. In the eyes of the law what is the difference between him and the General he relays the President's orders to, or the soldier who carries them out?

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[–] redsand@infosec.pub -1 points 7 months ago

4 years 😂 oh wow, that's optimistic, 4 years 🤣. It all burns by 2028 unless people pull off a general strike.

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[+] ZombieChicken@reddthat.com 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQcFABFm2k0

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago*

With the sofets and most gentle kids gloves:

Everything you just said is factually incorrect.

The alternative would be a legal proceeding with judges and release of information.

Please stop spreading misinformation and just ask a question if you're not sure.

Literally this is the alternative:

Compared to the "attention" chickening out got, you really think that would be less of a circus for the one person running the Army?

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

There were two more removed at the same time.

The AFP news agency reported that an official confirmed that Gen David Hodne and Maj Gen William Green Jr were also removed alongside George. Hodne led the army’s transformation and training command while Green was in charge of the army’s chaplain corps.