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[–] 108 points 7 months ago (13 children)

What in the world, why does Israel control what people say? So weird

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  • [–] 51 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (8 children)

    Israel is the West's last great colonial settler project so there has always been a predilection to turning a blind eye to international law in relation their geopolitical affairs. Far right authoritarians are often chummy with Netanyahu because he is living their colonial dream of genocide and displacement.

    Why do they control what people say? I'm not sure it goes that far. But the cultural bias apparently runs deep enough in the West to ruin people's lives over it if they dissent.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    You keep referring to "the West" like it's a single monolithic entity.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Virtually is in this case. US, Canada, UK, France, Germany, and many more countries literally defend Isreali's right to starve children to death in front of our eyes. Violemtly and vehemently. All of the heavy hitters. Who in the west stands opposed? Maybe a tepid Spain? A few hundred years removed from relevance?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Canada, UK, France, Germany, and many more countries literally defend Isreali's right to starve children

    All of these countries have either publicly condemned Israel or outright banned arms sales to them.

    Who in the west stands opposed?

    Pretty much everyone except America. Why do you think this is just a "west" issue?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    On this matter I'm afraid it has been for at least half a century. Some of the loudest and most self righteous voices when it comes to international law become tepid or mute on this particular violation of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Like Ireland, or Spain, or Canada?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Depends on the timeline you're looking at. Some western countries have calibrated their stance in recent years particularly.

    It's actually one of the positives of social media. Even just five to ten years ago Western media acted as a shield against truth, helping to promote dogmatic support for Israel even as it committed genocide.

    Canada doesn't really belong on this list, it has been fairly clearly pro Israel throughout most of the 21st century and before that.

    Ireland has a unique experience with settler colonialism so tends to have a more balanced take amongst Western countries. More of a specific exception than the rule though.

    Spain is somewhere in between but also an exception.

    When I say the West I do mean more generally the majority of or the power centers within. Which would be the British empire (which created this mess) and its successor the American empire (which allows it to continue).

    I'd also draw a distinction between the West in general and the Global South which, having borne the historical brunt of Western colonial genocide, displacement and theft, has been pro Palestinian throughout most of this conflict and didn't need social media to see the reality of the situation.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    If you say it's because Zionist Jews have money and wield it like a hammer you're 'antisemitic.' But also correct.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    Absolutely not. Zionists have a lot of money, but most of those Zionists are not in fact Jews. Western imperialists see their interests aligning with Israel, so they support it with money and influence; it's really that simple. Thinking Israel controls the West is like thinking the hammer controls the carpenter because he doesn't want it stolen.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    is supporting the defunct japanese red army terrorist group controlled by israel

    daaaaang!

    also this party girl need to tidy up her disco baggies - ooopsies

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago

    Lawmaker, she's a MEP.
    So at least the European Parlament should issue a statement.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    No doubt this stemmed from here https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/policing-thought-french-bill-renewed-forms-antisemitism-accused-silencing-israel-critics

    Israeli people seen to have embedded themselves in almost every (large) countries politics. It's also being noticed and will no doubt cause a massive push back.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Is this what happened in the lead up to WW2? Obviously without the existence of the state of Israel

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    No, the Jewish people did not exert nearly the same influence as Israel does today despite the propaganda of the time claiming otherwise.

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Is there any way to verify that now? My understanding is that Zionists bankrolled the war to accelerate the creation of official state of Israel

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    To be frank this theory you are positing is absurd.

    Did a disparate group of people connected by religion have the same influence as the entire modern state of Israel? Absolutely not.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    How is that your understanding? What information or sources did you base that on?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    Hell no they didn't. Hitler and crew didn't need any help massacring everything that moved, and they were backed by German moneyed interests (you know, the people that stood to gain from his rule), not a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. In the first place, WWII didn't contribute nearly as much as you'd expect to the creation of Israel; if anything it made the British acquiesce to Palestinian demands to secure their support. WWII was the culmination of European great power politics; besides, interwar Poland was one of Zionists' most important patrons, and its loss almost destroyed the whole project.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Zionists were at work well before WW2, which is where the Nazis were actively helping set up the beginnings of Israel

    Zionists took the wealth of Jews in Germany and did not let them take it to Palestine. This funded efforts leading to and including WW2

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    You can join the IDF to commit genocide (and call for people to do so in synagoges), but woe to anyone praising the resistance.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    You can join the IDF, do war crimes, run for office in both major American political parties, and scream antisemitism if anyone suggests being a member of a foreign military implies duel loyalty.

    But woe to anyone recounting historical events

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    She's praising a terrorist attack against civilians. That's not resistance, that's terrorism. If you're going to pretend to care human rights then it has to be universally applied otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

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  • [–] 57 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Only anti-Semites confuse anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    No. Only Zionists confuse the two.

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    the conspiracy fantasies adopted by most commies happily conflate israel with the jews that control the world like the top comment in this post:

    why do israel control what people say

    the fantasy being that by some magical control mechanism the french government and laws are affected by??

    stop hiding and playing this shell game just say what you really think

    and as we know this antisemitic global conspiracy fantasy was invented by russia during the cold war - the home of poisonous communism

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    AIPAC literally funds American electoral candidates. The Western empire has a lot of interest vested in Israel. This is why Israel can still function as a settler-colonial state. It's not the evli "commies" plotting against anyone.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    The term #terrorist and #terrorism can easily been manilpulated fot the unjustified arrest.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    What was the actual comment she made?

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    https://www.reuters.com/world/french-far-left-member-european-parliament-rima-hassan-held-police-custody-2026-04-02/

    Rima Hassan, a French far-left member of the European ​Parliament, was arrested on Thursday over a ‌comment she posted on X last month about an attack on an Israeli airport in the 1970s, her ​fellow party member Jean-Luc Melenchon said.

    The message was related to the 1972 attack by ​the Japanese Red ​Army far-left ⁠militant group at Lod airport in Tel Aviv, which resulted in ​26 deaths.

    It seems the media may not know what her exact comment was yet.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, how many civilians are the IDF shooting in Gaza per day now? Especially with their new execution law?

    Why are we supposed to get worked up about 26 deaths over 50 years ago given that context?

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It is not about the number of death, it is about the apology of terrorism from a member of the European Parliament. When one disagrees with terrorisme doesn't implies ones accept the genocide in Gaza

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Literally just a recounting of historical events.

    Hassan has previously been questioned by police over similar allegations and has been under investigation since late 2023 for statements related to Hamas following the Oct. 7 attacks.

    Sounds line the government is just harassing her

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  • [–] [M] 33 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    We require headlines match the original, I'll give you time to fix it before removing it.

    "After Montreal trip blocked, Rima Hassan arrested in France over social media post"

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    not a great rule considering how much clickbait even reputable news outlets engage in these days... can see it a bit even in this one...

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    She quoted someone who took part in a terrorist attack. I wonder if anyone will be arrested for quoting any of Israel's "founding fathers", or indeed anyone like Netanyahu or Ben-Gvir.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    The empire wears no clothes

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    She crossed a line praising the Lod massacre perpetrators. It was not an attack on the IDF, it was an indiscriminate attack on random people in an airport.

    That said, we live in an era where criminal and genocidal language is spewed by the leaders of Israel, the US, and other countries. If only the same high standards were applied to them too.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    This whole thing is Orwellian, but nothing more so imo than when stories like this report that someone was arrested for speech but doesn't actually tell us what the offending speech was.

    I think it's pretty obvious that they know that they'll get in trouble with the same people if they share the message. It's quite sad.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Roughtly translated she wrote : Kozo Okamoto. I dedicated my whole life to the palestinian cause. When there is oppression, resistance is not only a right but a duty.

    Kozo Okamoto is a japanese terrorist who killed civilians in a terrorist attack in 1972.

    The apology of terrorism is illegal in France.

    She is a member of the european Parliamant.

    I hope these informations help to understant the context.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Wow, I'll admit my guess was wrong: that's a pretty clear endorsement of terrorism. I still don't think she should be arrested.

    Also I think it's terrible journalism that they didn't say specifically what she posted. That's necessarily context. Thanks for sharing it.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    It's strange how this article mentions she is pro-palestiniens and forgot to mention she is from Palestinian decent. Overall this article doesn't provide much information about what has happened and why. Which tweet were used to accuse her ?

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    She was denied a visa to Canada after she was asked two questions

    1. Did any country ever deny you a visa? (Yes)

    2. Did you ever face lawsuits? (Yes)

    Instead of answering the truth, she answered "No" to both questions.

    In an online post, she argued she did that because "I think these questions aren't legitimate".

    That was a major mistake

    Immigration Canada really doesn't give a shit about what you think.

    You should never lie on a federal immigration form. That's called misrepresentation. Any foreigner who engages in misrepresentation will face denial of entry into Canada (Article 40, Canadian Law on Immigration).

    When Immigration Canada discovered this, her visitor visa was automatically cancelled.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Any chance you can provide a source on that? It sounds believable, but it's not mentioned in the article OP posted, and I can't find anything else that confirms it. All reporting I've read says that CBSA refused to comment (as expected, since it concerns private information).

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago*

    I don't believe in arrests for speech, but justifying shooting up an airport is not my idea of anti-imperialism. Unless the case is being misrepresented, in which case fuck whoever made this arrest.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I love that we never get to see the tweet, click bait article

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    glorifying terrorism

    She was supporting the Israelis?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    French here, I think the information is confirmed. A weird campain is led against this woman, and at that point I'd call it harrassment, especially after the far right ambush set-up that led to the even weirder death of a young neo-nazi militant (the local intelligence had been following them, the police was present and they let the fight happen...), which was blamed on her conference being held nearby. 

    The Nemesis collective was linked to it as a planner of said ambush that went haywire. That femonationalist collective was endorsed by a former right-wing minister of national security.

    I really think it's a sordid campain to undermine any french voice that would talk about the genocide in Gaza.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I think 2 things are true here:

    1. The government and billionaire media are really nipping at her heels, trying to turn anything related to her into a scandal. See the recent "drug scandal" which turned out to be a nothingburger (she was carrying CBD).

    2. She has tankie-adjacent views, and quoting a guy who did a mass shooting in a civilian airport is in really poor taste. I can't defend it, "terrorism apologia" seems accurate here.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    How is it a campaign when it's her own words and actions that got her in trouble?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Because of the repetitive pattern of sham/shallow accusations which goal is only to give the collaborationist media more material for constant defamation (on her, but also on every leftist voice speaking against the genocide in Gaza and such, which is immediately tagged as "antisemitism" for easy silencing -it's a globally used strategy, so nothing unfamiliar here, you've probably seen it used against many people who are raising their voice against Israel's crimes against humanity, or their current expansion war -which they roped the USA into). For instance, she has been summoned by the police for her deleted tweet, and they "found" drugs in her purse, except 1- I won't believe a person summoned to an appointment with the police can be stupid enough to BRING DRUGS in their purse (it was later denied by her lawyer anyway). 2- The info was leaked to collaborationist medias DURING the police custody, which is supposedly both impossible and illegal UNLESS the police themselves leaked something for the medias to gnaw on. And it's always like that. As for the tweet that got her in "trouble", it was okay according to international laws (relative to the right of an occupied/subjected to apartheid nation to bear arms to resist the occupant). So, yeah, in France, the collusion of the ultra-rich and far-right media is established, so much so that most people don't even listen to them anymore. Whatever the country you're from, the fascists have the same modus operandi, so if you hear corporate media say something and the story is too good to be true, then assume it's simply no true, especially during war.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, but in this case she supported and praised an indiscriminate terrorist attack on civilians. That's grounds for legal trouble regardless of who you are.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    lol, those assholes won't let you in if you had a DUI 20 years ago.

    Fuck 'em, stay out and go spend your money in Mexico, it's a much nicer place.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yep and I fully support banning people with reckless behaviour that endangers Canadian lives.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago