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[–] 72 points 7 months ago (15 children)

I've been fully daily driving Linux for about 15 years now, and for me it's almost all Arch now.

I started out distro-hopping between Debian, Mint, Ubuntu, Slack, etc, but once I found Arch (and spent two weeks getting it installed, booted, and customized exactly to my liking) I was finally at home.

I know the meme. I'm not here to claim superiority, or diminish the value of other perfectly good distros. I love Debian, I love Void, Ubuntu can die in a fire, etc.

What I love about Arch is the lack of bloat. You get precisely what you ask for, no more, no less. You can legitimately run htop and recognize literally every program, and know if something's wrong immediately.

Every one of my Arch boxes is a perfect little snowflake, suited to exactly the task(s) I built it for. And if there was anything I had to learn or configure along the way? That's just the journey, man.

I have been eyeballing NixOS though...

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I just used NixOS daily for maybe a month? I really love how it's designed, but I had to give up because there were just so many small fixes I had to do and I found myself banging my head against the wall when I couldn't build something that depended on python-tk. You will see this criticism around a lot, but the documentation just isn't there yet. If you try to search for a fix, the packages have changed how they're configured since a solution was posted or they depend on a Nix flake which 50% of searches say not to use because it's experimental and 50% are all in on flakes.

    I have since moved back to Arch, but I've started to use the nix package manager for some cases since you can on-demand non-permanently install a package.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Almost the same story here, I ran nixOS on my laptop and was over my head instantly, but kept treading water for almost a year before I got tired of the quirks and went back to arch. Much as on desktop; it just works and works well.
    Since bouncing off I've found myself using the nix package manager for my Steam Deck, allowing it to serve as the "laptop" now. It just so happens that Valve recently added a persistent /nix folder to steamOS and so I'm declaratively back at it again. Thankfully the syntax is now starting to stick.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    Same, with one exception I don’t really like Debian. Ubuntu, I’m surprised it’s still around. I wonder who uses it, especially on a server.

    I’m eyeballing NixOS. And Gentoo too. And I’m looking for excuse to try FreeBSD.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    You're surprised the most popular desktop distro is still around?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I’m surprised this shite is the most popular distro, let’s start with that.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Really? They did a ton of work to make Linux accessible to the masses, have an active and helpful community to help out if you get stuck, works really well out of the box on most hardware and you're pretty much guaranteed there's going to be a compatible deb available for it if you're looking for software outside normal repos. Seems like a no brainer tbh.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You’re correct, if that’s true. I wasn’t following them since almost twenty years ago. They were great at the time, all these free CDs you could get, I’ve ordered some as a kid and they really arrived, that was magic. I have some gratitude for that.

    What I don’t like is quite a number of very questionable decisions they made over these years after. That’s why I am surprised someone thinks they are a great distro. You want Deb, why not go with Debian? Especially on a server. I truly have no idea who are the people who install Ubuntu on a server.

    In my experience, Fedora just works. And hence, I recommend it to everyone. Ubuntu, not. Snap alone made me not considering it ever again.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    None of which makes the distro shite. The things I remember them getting shit for are:

    Unity/mir

    Upstart

    Snaps

    Amazon ads

    Advertising their premium version.

    Of all of those the Amazon thing is the only one I have a strong objection to. The rest I can't say I've even particularly noticed the changes if I'm honest and most other Ubuntu users probably haven't either. They seem to get a lot of crap for "doing their own thing all the time" which seems odd coming from the Linux community.

    I came to Ubuntu initially because it was the new hotness, I've never really had an issue with it functionally in 12 years or so, so no real need to change.

    Why not deb? Why not any number of other distros? I do run deb on my NAS as it goes and I'm not trying to stan for Ubuntu (honestly) but it gets a lot of undeserved hate. It's not a super exciting distro or anything but it tends to work fine for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)
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    I’m not old enough to appreciate its obsolescence. It broke on me so many times, basically every single major update on various machines. Arch Linux never broke on me, and I still run my very first installation. Basically on every single machine. Had no need to reinstall anything. I wasn’t deliberately breaking Debian even, never introduced any unusual repositories, used the default flavour of the desktop environment I chose from the installer. Didn’t change defaults too much. Yet every upgrade I did, something was wrong, it simply broke, and the easiest was to simply reinstall than attempting to fix anything. Arch, broke just a few times, most of which was either me doing something, and I knew that was me, or it was on the main page of the distro, in their news, the breaking changes announcement, plus the steps to mitigate them.

    I see no point in using Debian, at least for me personally. I use its flavours, DietPi and Armbian on the SBCs, as there’s no Arch, and I don’t really like Arch ARM. Also, Debian’s website yells unprofessionalism, and it’s a bit difficult to tolerate. And the cherry on top, each time I’m about to download it, I have to hunt that BitTorrent link. I know it’s less than a gigabyte, and I could just download it as is from the website. But it’s a matter of principle, if I can download via BitTorrent protocol, I’d do that. Less pressure on the servers, easier and faster for me. Arch, you don’t have to hunt that link. Debian isn’t simple enough for me, I don’t understand its ideas and approach. Having obsolete everything because of stability … how do you know the updated versions are worse, huh? I don’t know, perhaps Sid is stable too, but my bet it’s less stable than Arch.

    And the names, I personally dislike them. You choose a random Pixar movie and stick to that. Why? Even Ubuntu’s animals are just so much better. To me that’s as weird as naming your software as Gimp, or having fun with these GNU is not UNIX and other recursive abbreviations. It may be fun when you’re a teenager, or a part of some community, but I just don’t like it either.

    I just don’t feel like I’m the part of this community. I’ve been around Debian for like two decades, and never grew liking it. Not my cup of tea.

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    [–] 38 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    debian since forever. no reason to switch yet.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Same here, Debian since Squeeze. A couple of years ago I just decided to go a step further and go with Kicksecure. Which is basically just hardened Debian.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Same here. Started around ham/slink and then just kept using it.

    Mostly on servers but for over a year it has been the only booted OS on my desktop (maybe time to recycle the windows m2-drive soon). Sid on desktop is great.

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    The answer is Debian like crabs on a long enough timeline it will eventually become Debian. - Linux user for 27 years

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    That's how it should work, I think. All the downstream distros do their crazy experiments, the community identifies what it likes and doesn't like, and what it likes makes its way upstream to spawn. The further upstream it gets, the wider its influence is felt. Debian is what makes it that far upstream.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I see this view as true. Downstream shit sucks. I've tried them all. Debian 8s the only thing that keeps bugs out. Sometimes you need a work around for a game or whatever but atleast shit works everytime.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think the ideal is to have some people who gravitate toward the bleeding edge, and some people who gravitate toward the stable center. I think, when the system works well, each group benefits the other. For example, I like debian for my servers because I like my servers to be as stable and low-maintenance as possible, but I am also really fascinated by NixOS and its approach to system administration. Personally I still need to play with it some more before I trust it with a production service, but I could see running a Nix-based distro at some point. And I appreciate all the brave testers out there right now, finding problems and fixing them. What they do makes my life as a simple server manager a lot easier.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I used a linux desktop for a few years back in 08-09, started on ubuntu then got on the Gentooooooooooo bandwagon. (Went back to Windows after this due to college + games, naturally)

    Ever since then, I just use stable LTS versions of either debian or ubuntu for server applications. Recently changed back to Linux on desktop and went with CachyOS, it's been super solid.

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    NixOS so I can keep my config in git. I have a single nix config for all my machines (desktop, laptop and server) so I can share configuration between them. I use it to configure both my system and my user config, my dotfiles, with home-manager. Even my neovim config is in nix thanks to nixvim.

    I don't think I could go back now. It can be a bit of a pain from time to time and the learning curve is steep but it has so many advantages. Being able to rollback between config versions (called generations), having a consistent config between my machines, having it all in version control… The repo have so many packages and when there is a module it's really easy to add a service. Writing new packages (derivations) and modules is also not that hard. It can be as simple as calling nix-init.

    Had my main ssd fail on me a few month back and it was very simple to just replay the config and just get everything working as before. I only had to do the partitioning by hand (it can be done by nix but I've not gotten around to it yet). That's why I only backup data and home partitions, not system partitions.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    I was messing with the NixOS system config in weird ways and accidentally bricked it a few times, but I just booted into a previous configuration and fixed it. Whereas with Arch you would be fucked and have to pull out a rescue disk.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Arch on my personal machines, Debian on my servers.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    I've tried many distros over a 20 year period. I'm happy with CachyOS.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    15+ years on Fedora

    Solid

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    Debian on the streets (servers), Arch on the sheets (laptop).

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    Debian on everything (well except the router is on OpenWrt).

    First installed Debian more than 25 years ago. Tried some other stuff, Debian is still best for me.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Debian.

    It's pretty great for desktop stuff these days. Basically Ubuntu minus the shit. Any desktop you want, it's got live installers now (several different ones with different desktops), it's got nonfree firmware on the disc, they've really upped their game.

    (And if the recent systemd stuff skeeves you out, you can toss out systemd, even. It's not for the faint of heart though.)

    -- Frost

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    Debian and alpine. Coming up on 27 years of linux for me.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Suddenly realizing I use linux for more than 10 years

    [despair noises]

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Debian. I like my computer to work.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    For almost 30 years Debian somehow.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Debian mostly. I appreciate the democratic, non corporate governance, the classic Free Software ethos, the stability, and their not going blindly along with upstream defaults (e.g. telemetry).

    My server runs OpenBSD because I find it more tightly designed, and simpler. Laptop Fedora because the hardware wasn't originally well supported by Debian stable.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Debian. For decades.

    My first installation was slack and from then until now has been a mix of more things than I care to list, but includes things like freebsd on a DEC multia, a sparcstation pizza box with a 2.6ish kernel maybe?, along with things like Ubuntu, suse, fedora, centos, gentoo, ive built from scratch, I ever remember the days of configuring x with fvwm95 because I thought it would be easier for my parents.

    I always go back to Debian. Though I'm happy with arch when I want something 'current'.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Been daily driving Arch on my laptops for the last 10 years. It's been great. Getting the latest software has been especially handy for laptops, where the kernel sometimes needs time to catch up to the latest hardware.

    I ran Guix for a few months when I had some extra time and I liked it, but it was very different and not all software I needed ran on it (or ran well). I ended up going back to Arch, but I brought Guix with me, as a package manager.

    I also ended up trying Fedora for the first time (ok, I was unemployed) recently and was pleasantly surprised. Turns out Fedora is pretty close to how I configure Arch. And it's got some extra polish that was neat. I ended up installing Fedora Silverblue for my parents 6-8 months ago and it's been working out great for them.

    Anyway, Arch has been my reliable companion for the last 10 years.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I run Guix and agree that unfortunately a decent amount of applications (that I use) aren't packaged for Guix. To me it's the biggest con of using Guix.

    I have the Nix package manager installed on my machines and will install an application using that when no guix package exists. Not a perfect solution but it works for me. The benefits of Guix makes it worth it.

    Maybe one of these years I'll get around to learning how to package software for Guix.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Have I been on 10 years? I dunno, but I like to think I'm pretty experienced for an amateur.

    OpenSUSE Tumbleweed! It rolls! It games! It works with newer hardware and gets along sorta reasonably with Nvidia!

    Best part? If any of that ISN'T true (rarely after an update), it seamlessly integrates BTRFS snapshots with the boot menu, to just roll back and wait like a week til the wonderful souls working on it, fix stuff.

    The community is also very supportive.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Debian, on the server, the laptop, the desktop, and the gaming machine. Debian.

    I started with Slackware many years ago. Eventually switched to Kubuntu on my desktop and laptop machines, then later the server switched to Debian. The desktop and laptop switched later.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    If you have been using Linux for +10 years, what are you using now?

    I distro-hopped every few years until about 2015. Since then I've been trending toward Debian for everything.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    33 years with Linux (kernel 1.2.13, slackware). Worked at a distro. Worked in OS security -- Unix and enterprise Linux. I helped build United Linux out of the dismembered corpse suse kicked over the fence as 'collaboration'.

    Because of the validation issue in the .deb package format and others, I'm on a mixture of Rocky and Nobara.

    I'm subscribed to cloudLinux's tuxcare enterprise updates for some older stuff, and I can't recommend it enough. It's excellent; and if almalinux releases their sLTS distro release and actually covers it for 25 years, that will be such a coup.

    I'm worried at the direction Linux has been taken by IBM and I hope it can be unfucked one day. I miss the reliable, fast boots and uncomplicated tooling before this systemd shitshow.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    That's why after almost 20 years on arch Linux I just moved to void Linux, mostly for the idea of a proper init, and nice simple and much faster booting.

    I've heard of nobara, rocky and slackware, never used any of them, never even heard of the other ones you have mentioned.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    An old pop os system for everyday use.

    An old debian server for most self hosting.

    Onion os for my miyoo mini plus retro game console.

    And a mess of things all over the house.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Linux hobbyist for 20+ years, pro for 6+. Fedora for workstations, proxmox for hypervisors, and rocky for servers is my usual personal recommendation. Beyond that, secureblue (a hardened downstream of fedora atomic) with heads firmware is a fantastic daily driver if you're into that kind of thing.

    Started with debian sarge way back in the day, currently using secureblue and qubes with fedora vms for most work, with a debian htpc on the side. For servers, I'm mostly debian-based on hardware (a bunch of proxmox machines at various sites and debian-based raspberry pis everywhere), with mostly redhat-based vms. Some alpine and freebsd baremetal and virtual machines sprinkled in here and there for flavor where they fit right.

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    Qubes as a daily can be pretty cumbersome with a steep learning curve, but once you get the hang of it it's a very unique modular kind of experience, and a pretty good way to safely(ish) use one machine for many things - certainly much more so than any of the main linux distros. If you're interested in security, worth checking out!

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I have started with Mandrake (later renamed to Mandriva) then went through few other distros before settling on Gentoo.

    Gentoo installation is one of the most complicated because there is no installer, you do everything yourself.

    This is like buying car parts and assembling them together into a car using a manufacturer's manual. its painful but once the car is assembled you almost never have to take it to a repair shop. Not because it doesn't breakdown but because you know well how it function and thus how to fix it yourself.

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    [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Debian stable, it works fine for a workstation and for the few games I play

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    I started using Linux in '98 with Red Hat 5.2. I have swapped between many, many different distros. But for the last 10 years or so, I've mostly stuck with Fedora. It generally just works, is up to date, and I've never had issues upgrading on their 6 month release cycle. My desktop probably started on Fedora 20-something and has been upgraded to the latest (43) without ever doing a reinstall!

    My primary computer is my Frame.work laptop running Fedora 43.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Arch for 13 Years. No distro hopping. The AUR and Wiki are the greatest resources any Linux distro has and I'm not giving them up for anything else. There were periods where I dual booted with Windows for gaming but that's been dead and gone for 5 years. At this point the only times it breaks is because of user error which there is not much of any more.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    The first linux distro I remember using was Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake), so I'm just about at 20 years, maybe a bit less than that; I think it had been released for a while before I decided to give it a go. I tend to stick with debian-based distros, though I've used arch variants off and on for my daily driver for years at a time. Still got it kicking around on some machines now, though not any of my daily drivers. Servers are a mix of Debian and Ubuntu Server, machines with UI are either Ubuntu or Mint, or some resource-light version of Ubuntu, depending on the device and the mood when I last reformatted them. I have used Fedora/RedHat/CentOS at various points, but usually because someone was paying me to do so. Same story with OpenSUSE, but even less commonly. I have a few devices running variously dated versions of PostmarketOS, Lineage OS, even one device that still runs CyanogenMod (it does not get internet privileges). I have a few Raspberry PIs that all run Raspbian (or whatever it's called now).

    EDIT: Just remembered I used to use CrunchBang Linux for a long time. I bought the only computer I could afford (a "netbook" with Win 10 Starter), put crunchbang on it (after experimenting with a few distros), and really kinda fell in love with OpenBox. I don't use it anymore because I don't like the default settings and haven't been bothered to set it up properly lately, but I had that netbook set up just so and it worked really well. it was my main and only computer for several years.

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  • [+] [S] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • Agreed. I found a pleasure in using openbox that I have not found in other DEs. Working with such constrained and frankly crappy hardware made it worth the investment to get the UI as light and functional as it could be, and I'm pleased with the performance I got out of that little machine. It was fun to use. Then it got stolen and I had to start from scratch as I had no backups because I had nothing to back up to, and the task of replicating it all over again seemed daunting, so I decided it was worth getting comfortable with a DE that worked more or less how I wanted it to out of the box. There is something to be said for the ease of defaults, but I've never gotten a machine that "just so" , before or since.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I've been using Linux for more than 20+

    First distro: Slackware, then Debian for many years, finally Fedora, since 2014, very happy user.

    What I like in Fedora: the 6 months release provides bleeding edge experience without compromising stability.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Ive swapped around but for now im good on Arch, I like the AUR too much and tbh it does what I need (other distros are great and I installed Debian on my families computers but for me I use Arch).

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    People are going to hate me for this, but here goes...

    I'm using Ubuntu.

    Ubuntu Studio, to be precise.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    How do you like it? I've seen it around but never installed it to play with it. Is it helpful in your creative endeavors?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Been working fine for me.

    Honestly, though, haven't noticed any real difference between Ubuntu Studio and vanilla Kubuntu, except that it came pre-installed with a few of the things I would have installed anyway.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    Linux user since 1998 or 99. Debian-Testing for my desktops, Mint for my laptops. I like things that work well with a GUI (I dislike the terminal, despite being well familiar with it), without bad surprises (Debian-Testing is surprisingly stable).

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Arch on Desktops&Notebooks, Debian on Servers.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Debian on every last one of my computers and servers

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I hopped around a little but settled into Debian a long, long time ago. My son loves Arch, I like my stuff to be a bit more stable and don't have the time to update between commands all the time (its a joke but has a little truth to it).

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think I started back in the day with Ubuntu Gnome, with some dabbling in Manjaro and then Arch.

    But since then I have used Fedora Workstation, and then Fedora Silverblue / Fedora Kinoite (immutable versions of fedora, with the past several years on Kinoite [kde] over Silverblue [gnome])

    On the server side of things, I am using Debian (with everything running in podman containers).

    If I were to consider migrating, it would be to migrate my laptop to secureblue (likely, rebasing the OS image rather than clean-installing) and migrate my Windows 11 desktop to bazzite. Both of these are still based on Fedora's immutable base, albeit with changes to the base OS image. At some point in the future, I would also consider migrating my server to an immutable OS, however, which one remains to be seen.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Linux Mint Debian Edition. I started using Linux in 2007. I've tried a lot of distros, and like several of them, but Mint is the comfiest desktop distro for me.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Gentoo since 2004.

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    I used Mint for about a decade. When I upgraded the drives on my desktop RAID from 2TB to 14TB the newest version only recognized 999GB. After some troubleshooting I begrudgingly tried Ubuntu, same thing. I figured Debian would be the same since that's Grandma but I tried anyway. It worked perfect so I've been on Debian for a few years now and haven't noticed any big differences so here I'll stay.

    Love me some Debian

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Fedora

    OpenSUSE if you want something non American and not directly related to RedHat

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I started with Slackware in the early 90s, moved to Gentoo in 2004 after using FreeBSD for a while, and Arch linux since 2007. Gentoo was too much work (both for my and for my CPU's) in the long run. It has been more predictable (in spite of being a rolling release) for me than anything else,

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Nice, I'll post mine as a reply since it's very similar :)

    Work: when I started we were Centos/RHEL with some Debian, then pivoted to primarily Debian, now we have pivoted to Ubuntu.

    Work Desktop: Besides obligatory Windows I have been on Gentoo +KDE for the last 10 years, but the Chromium portage build times as well as some weird performance degradation finally became too much and I just recently switched to NixOS (with newer hardware).

    Home Server: Slackware/Gentoo for a while starting in the mid 2000's, then stuck with FreeBSD for over a decade. Since then I've just happy with Raspian on an rpi, but looking at switching it to NixOS

    Home Desktop: Wasn't much of a category for me and usually just a Windows junkie at home, but recently been very pleased with SteamOS

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Up until recently, Debian on everything. Main PC/ laptop are running Artix (Arch minus systemd) and my servers are still on Debian

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I’ve used Ubuntu, Arch, and Void in the past. Ended up settling on Fedora Silverblue for the time being.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    For personal use? Bazzite because it’s easy and stable. I have enough stuff breaking at work already…

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    So fucking true. Once you get more than a hundred systems or so it feels like something new to resolve every day. Especially when your work let's people with no idea what they are doing have root on "their" servers.

    I have dealt with issues ranging from someone uninstalling subscription manager (RHEL) and then clearing the package cache to people replacing chronyd with ntpd for.. Reasons? I guess?

    I have thought about using bazzite but I prefer debian based as well as using more general purposed distros. So I am just on basic debian.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Opensuse since back in the SuSE days. I've dabbled with other distros and even had a somewhat extended run with Fedora when their Gnome implementation was better, but I've always gone back to SuSE. mostly I just like Yast although I find I've used it less and less with time spent understanding what it does and how to do that other ways.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Been using linux for 7+ years, first distro was mint, then I moved to manjaro, for the last couple years I've been using Guix, a Nix inspired distro.

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