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POV: M$ releases a new VSCode version (files.catbox.moe)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev
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All of these issues are from today.

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[–] 61 points 7 months ago

You are ruining the velocity! How are they supposed to tell shareholders they're delivering faster than humans, if they keep getting bogged down with issues!? Everyone, stop opening issues!

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    [–] 53 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I thought that was a CVS receipt

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    • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    You know, It's time I play with VSCodium again.
    I used it for a long time but ended up having issues with the SSH plugin and the Python support that forced me to go back to regular VSCode. But that was so long ago they surely fixed it by now...

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  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Just be aware MS did the MS thing of not permitting some plugins to work on non vscode installations like the corporate dicks they are.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    true for eg MS' C++ extensions or copilot - they actively block installing and running it on codium, based on some internal "app name" config of the IDE.

    there's a workaround for that though. install both codium and vsc, install extensions on vsc, symlink the ".vscode" folder to ". vscode-oss", and edit codium's app info json (forgot filename) to match vsc's (mainly the "app name").

    last step needs to be done after each update, but can applied with a script, happy to share if anyone needs it. Just make sure the installed codium- and vsc versions match.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    what did you use instead, especially for Python?

    I asked in a random thread about linux IDEs, thinking there'd be several to the level of VSCode and didn't find anything recommended that was particularly new, and ended up using pulsar for taking notes (it keeps sessions with "unsaved" files somewhere so I just dump stuff into there, manages searches of file contents from certain folders like VS code) and VS Codium for development (it has ctrl+click to find usages/takes to declerations) , but I haven't gotten python integration working on there, and would like to try something new out.

    I don't want to use Kate or NeoVim since I want a GUI and integration with "compilers"/interpreters by using buttons and such, but I haven't found anything that doesn't seem like its from the late 90s early 00s, which doesn't work with my shitty eyes and 1080 displays.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Not who you're asking, but weighing in anyways. I use VSCodium for C# and Python development on Linux. Only extensions I needed was ms-python.python, ms-python.debugpy, and I use ms-python.vscode-python-envs

    For c# it's dotrush only.

    All works. Step through debugging all works, no issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    As I said, I didn't find an alternative, ended up just going back to regular Microsoft VSCode, I'll poke around VSCodium again and see if I can get Python to work as I'm expecting it to.
    I suppose there is PyCharm Community Edition but I haven't really used it enough to recommend. It also feels like Jetbrains IDEs end up being heavier than Electron, somehow. Depending on your use it might be overkill.
    I also know there's that super hyped Rust based one called Zed that's supposed to be really lightweight and fast, but who knows if they're even focusing on that anymore given their whole homepage is now AI AI AI...

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Thanks for the picture of the landscape, I guess for my dad tier motives I'll just stick to what I have.

    I even have fancy project based theming to stop me from getting confused in my old age.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    vscodium is pretty toothless compared to the first-party vscode builds. i forget the exact details, i think i was having issues with the dev container plugins not working at all.

    i've been using zed.dev with all of the AI features turned off and its been nice. it's probably a matter of time before they enshittify too, but for now i'm enjoying it.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Last time I said "No! This is getting silly!" and decided to try all those language-server GUI text editors I lost a couple of weeks and decided to nuke my emacs config and make LSP actually work there instead.

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    • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Never had this issue with neovim :3

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    • [–] 89 points 7 months ago (19 children)

    VSCode

    Found the issue

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (18 children)

    Helix is nice, speaking of which.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I tried switching 2 different times now from neovim (with Lazyvim), and I can't break the muscle memory. Neovim has become an IDE in the terminal for me, and it does more than I need it to

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    As with anything, breaking muscle memory takes a lot of will power, as well as time. 😅

    Take it from someone who went from regular QWERTY row-staggered keyboards to a split column-staggered keyboard with Colemak-DH. Went from 117 words per minute, to 20. It was brutal. Took me a few minutes to reply with simple sentences at work. Still not up to full speed a year later. But the ergonomics are worth it.

    Same with Helix IMO. It includes the kitchen sink, and the Selection Editing paradigm makes so much more sense to me compared to macros in *vim. Because it clicked immediately with me, it didn't take long to get used to it. Been using it professionally and at home for about 2 years.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (8 children)

    Doesn't seem like much of a VSCode replacement though since it is terminal based

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    I replaced VS Code for me on every way I used it, both at work at at home. Been using it professionally for about two years now. It has LSP support, code actions, local and global symbol jumping, jumping to definition, etc, etc, etc. All I need to be productive without the use of AI. 👍👍 (Maybe there's even a way to use AI with it as well, but idgaf about that.)

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    For the record, TUI applications can definitely do a good job of replacing GUI applications. It is not inherent to the terminal that it can't.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

    Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was inherent to the terminal that you can't position the cursor and select text using the mouse, and also inherent that there are not right-click menus.

    If you don't want to use a mouse in your code editor that's a valid preference, but these are very different styles of programs and exist in separate categories. Personally I was using Atom before I was using VSCodium, and I really like most design choices of the latter, it's basically everything I always wanted an IDE to be like. Don't want to stop using the mouse.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago*

    Helix, just as Kakoune before it, supports multiple cursor selections, even off-screen. 👍 Mouse selections are also not a problem. NeoVim also has support for mouse selection.

    Feel free to try it out! Setting up LSPs requires some setup work, but if you just want to try out the editing paradigm, you can just try to edit a plain text file to get a feel for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    it was inherent to the terminal that you can’t position the cursor and select text using the mouse, and also inherent that there are not right-click menus

    There may be terminals for which that is a limitation, but with neovim in konsole, I can (left) click to move the cursor or select text and right-click to get a contextual menu.

    Separately, the TUI libary we use for RESTMan is Brick and does support mouse events. IIRC we only support mouse-wheel scrolling, but there's a lot more that is possible.

    So, I think it might worth your time to try some TUI alternatives to your GUI environment.

    Your larger point that TUI can't fully replace GUI stands, at least IMO. Even for plain text formats (e.g. dotty) that I want to edit with a fixed-width font, an image (pre)view can be essential to some tasks. I don't usually find that's true for coding tasks, but design docs often benefit from charts.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    You don't need a GUI to use a mouse, we could even use a mouse in command line MS-DOS

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Well ok my mistake, it's just that literally all the command line text editors I've tried, the mouse does nothing by default and people act like you're not supposed to use it, it's just not a core part of how the software is designed to be used

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    • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Vscode release notes used to be exciting. Now it’s 70% ”Assistant” improvements. Then you finally get to the next chapter and it’s all like

    Terminal

    • Added terminal support for Assistant…
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    • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Image gone 🤕 Did Microslop slopify VSCode?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The image isn't gone, that hosting server just flat out refuses connections from certain IPs. See if this works for you - https://i.imgur.com/ReCjF8k.jpeg. I've heard that Imgur is not accessible in the UK, but Lemmy doesn't let me upload it because it's "too tall".

    Did Microslop slopify VSCode?

    A long time ago.

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    • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    showing off your 12k monitor, eh?

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    [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Thats pretty impressive it it was that bad it generated that many reports.

    Id only expect to see that in a alpha channel for those excited to try something new.

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    [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Kate has a LSP plugin.

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    [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Your screenshot failed. Half way through it starts repeating. See the worst tickets in there: "Stopped working".

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    [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    soo when are we getting de-slopified vs code fork?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Vscodium exists.

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    • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    How I can learn???????????

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    [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    The red color in the syntax highlighting is the most annoying for me

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    [–] 13 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    I never once understood why people want to write code in a browser that isn't even the same instance as the one they likely already have open. I can't understand the mindset of a person who wants JavaScript to power the tools they use. Is it because they hate their hardware? Or the environment?

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    I hate the environment, that's why I use vscode. After a long day outside, rolling coal on my 6x6 and littering out in nature, I come home and relax by turning on vscode and let it idle as I throw old tires in the fireplace. If you hate the environment like I do, use vscode.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago*

    Because it's a well-made, useful, simple but extensible program? I really don't care if it's "a browser" (it's not, just part of one). And it being not just a tab in my existing browser lets it do critical IDE things like write files and open a terminal (and be easier to find and differentiate from my research, product management, and testing tabs).

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    IDE in general are not that good.

    VSCode has a lot of of expansions, enabling a developer to stay in the same environment for any language they code in.

    So if you have a multi-language setup, you can do everything in the same IDE.

    I work with embedded firmware, and let me tell you that VSCode is miles ahead from manufacturer tools.

    I personally don't use VSCode because microcontroller manufacturer tools usually come with a repeatable easy to install environment, so I can easily handoff the projects to my clients.

    But if you ship code and don't have to ship the environment, VSCode is a good allrounder that can do pretty much anything.

    With that said, use VSCodium instead. At least, it removes the analytics from the IDE.

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    [+] -9 points 7 months ago

    Don’t forget it comes with copilot which will send all your code for training by default.

    You’d have to have opted out on your GitHub to prevent that.

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