Hardware vendor Framework has now become a KDE Patron, offering financial support to further push open source like the Plasma desktop. Framework join the likes of Google, Canonical, Blue Systems, Qt Group and others in supporting KDE directly.

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[–] 3 points 7 months ago

I wish they had a Framework 15 or 14. The 16 is HUGE and 13 is just too small for me.

Otherwise they look great!

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    [–] 90 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    In this thread: perfect being the enemy of better.

    Overall I am very happy with companies interacting with and funding the open source development community. I respect framework a whole lot more than dell, for example.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Or the other manufacturer of high quality aluminium dev-spec laptops, who sent their CEO to the White House to give Trump a golden plaque.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I'm not familiar with all the situation at that side of the pond... HP?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    As others have commented, Apple ... but also when was the last time HP was a manufacturer of quality anything? 😭

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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    Once upon a time, HP and quality were synonymous.

    https://www.hpmuseum.net/exhibit.php?class=3&cat=32

    (Edit: Though apparently the 3000 had some issues early on. Which were notable because reliability and quality issues were so non-HP).

    It was ... quite a while ago though. By the time I came to use HP gear in the late 90s and on, they still had a reputation for quality, though it was increasingly less deserved.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I have an HP LaserJet 4050. I bought it with 450000 pages on it, and have likely put on another 20000. It was built in 1997, and still works perfectly. All of its maintenance parts are user-serviceable, its toner is generic and readily available, and it supports postscript and pcl. All you need to use it on a modern computer is a serial or parallel port, or use its internal network server that uses both the standard lpr protocol or HP jetdirect.

    Yes, there absolutely was a time when HP made good stuff. It ended in the mid 2000s. When they stopped production of the HP 48 and 50 series calculators was the end of their good years.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Love these guys. Have one of their laptops and one of my friends recently ordered one as well. :)

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    I wanted to buy one but they are so damn expensive. DDR5 prices don't help neither.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I was lucky enough to nab one before hardware prices went to the fucking moon. Specs are good enough that hopefully it'll last me until prices drop again and I can afford to do selective upgrades on parts.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Laptops looked neat, then I looked at pricing and possible I/O combos and Lenovo still kills it.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Saw them as a possible thinkpad replacement but noped at the pricing then double noped after the I/O options. They are awesome machines though, glad they're around, without them I'm not so sure Lenovo would have made the new T series so repairable.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago

    Framework is nothing more, than a compromise with the enshittification came from the push of techbro journos soyfacing over ultrathin Macbooks, and having meltdowns if a notebook isn't made with "high quality premium materials".

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (32 children)

    Cool, but have they stopped supporting Nazis though?

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago

    worth noting the platforms they use, too. they still promote their mastodon & bluesky accounts on their website, but they basically haven’t posted there in 4 months, since that’s where people called them on for their bullshit

    on xitter tho? not only are they posting much more there, they’ve even paid the elon tax for that sweet blue checkmark!

    framework, like any organization that declares itself a "big tent", has embraced their new audience of fascists even if it means disregarding everyone else.

    i only hope kde can escape the toxic sludge this connection will bring them.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    I believe so: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships

    But if so, it is more that they are simply not continuing to make additional contributions in the future. There was no apology for any confusion or anything like that, and they seem to be sticking to their "big tent" philosophy.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    A former moderator on their official Discord forum made some offensive remarks or something. That soured the entire project for some people for good, I guess.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, I've seen screenshots and their comments were pretty disgusting

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And those comments don't reflect the views of the devs. The mod was the issue

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    The creator, Vaxry, made many hateful comments. Mostly on Discord. I'm in the Arch Linux Community discord, which he got banned from a few years ago (I was not there at the time), and his message history there has tons of bad takes.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    What is the ethical fork of hyprland?

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    Yes it is. That is what forking is for

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    They never gave Omarchy money directly from what I'm aware, just gave them shoutouts. Still not okay though

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    Not quite technically "money directly", but definitely more than just "shoutouts"

    We’ve sent out large quantities of hardware to folks at Fedora, Bluefin, Bazzite, NixOS, Arch Linux, Linux Mint, Omarchy, and many other distros, and have sponsored either the organizations directly or events with Linux Foundation, LVFS, NixOS, Debian, KDE, Hyprland, and others.

    https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986

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    It's a bad time to learn that hyprland community is toxic. I've used it for a long while now pretty comfortably.

    Seeing Framework give money to DHH is like watching someone step on a rake and defending it.

    I'm tired of idiots who defend anything as long as they like it, and only care about morality when they're offended.

    I saw the same thing happen with popular new game Mewgenics where creator of Binding of Isaac, Edmund, defended including Chris Chan, who couldn't be found guilty of SA'ing their demented mother on account of their autism.

    It's not only decision but the defense that makes these things look bad. They need to give money to fascists. They need to include controversial people. The people who defend it seem like they perceive criticism as personal attacks and retaliate in bad faith arguments.

    At this point I'm venting. Lemmy is great because it tends to attract people who are less pressured to conform to their tribes, which is great for having authentic discussions.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I mean if just the community is toxic I just wouldn't participate - if it's some negative trait is that. I can use a tool and not contribute to that toxicity.

    But for moral issues like supporting a project that I'm turn supports fascism, homophobia, etc. I will protest by simply not bring a user. I don't make this part of my identity, I probably should though - I don't check these things, I only find out.

    It's a bummer too because I was planning on getting a framework laptop. Wound up just getting another Lenovo business laptop secondhand lol.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago

    Someone else probably can give better context, but basically Framework donated money to one project that had some controversy (I never actually saw much evidence for it being severe enough to really cause the type of backlash that Framework got) and repeatedly and disproportionately promoted another project by someone who seemingly to want mass deportation of brown people in London/UK and promotes such with the platform. Someone called framework on those two things and the CEO's response on their forum was a "we want to run a big OOS tent" and then went to xitter to whine about the community being mean to them.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Are you referring to Omarchy by David Heinemeier Hansson? He's definitely a racist and not sponsored by Framework.

    Can we also please stop calling every piece of shit a nazi?

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  • [+] -34 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    who are they supporting that has killed jewish people?

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago

    Most Nazis never killed Jewish people. Did Hitler ever even kill a Jewish person himself? Were the people in the Nazi party not Nazis in 1932 because the holocaust hadn't started yet? And the genocide included far more than just Jewish people.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    yep and they reduced gnome down to $0 after gnome called them nazi’s

    good work gnome, you played yourself

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    [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    who are they sponsoring that has killed jewish people?

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    Agreed, but if they are still giving money to alt-right idiots I'm going to keep them off my "buy" list. I'll have to see if they are.

    Edit: Looks like they are still giving money to DHH via rails, so I'm glad they are giving money to KDE, but framework still won't get any more money from me. Hopefully its just old donations and it gets cleared off. Doesn't look like they've been promoting that assholes stuff lately, at least.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    DHH is a millionaire, so I don't think he cares. He's also just one of many in the Rails project.

    Instead of Framework, what else can you recommend?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    There's a whole list of things with DHH with FW, there are plenty of details so I'm not going through the whole thing. I'd also mention we've got a pretty obvious problem with millionaires and up with their quest for money currently causing massive problems around the world, so his being a millionaire is not a positive.

    For open hardware? MNT.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Where did you find they're still giving money to rails?

    I came across this blog post on sponsorships, which I find a bit difficult to parse, but it doesn't appear as if they've given anymore after the initial support.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Railsworld sponsorship, which is still massively outsizing most other support. What I don't see is any more of the constant posts about Omarchy, which is a net improvemen but still not at the spot I personally want to see.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (7 children)

    I understand that it's about the Rails World 2025 donation, but where do you see they're still supporting Rails?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (6 children)

    Its in the list in the March 2026 blog post. Since there are no dates in the columns, to me that shows as "this year's list of assigned donations".

    Because:

    You can see our full set of our sponsorships in the table below. As always, let us know of any other organizations you believe we should sponsor!

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I agree the post is unclear, but I'm not sure where you get your assumption of it being "this year's list". That is reading something in the text which isn't there. Furthermore;

    1. Rails World is in all three iterations of the table in that post, which includes prior updates.
    2. The amount donated is $24,000 in all three cases.
    3. They all link to the same Rails World 2025 convention page.

    That does not show continued support in and of itself.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    And until they clarify, I will continue to assume its a current list. The ball isnt in my court to make it clear they have stopped supporting racist shitheads.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    It is a current list, yes. Just not current year's list.

    Some public statement on the Rails matter would be nice, I also agree. A clearer list would similarly be welcome. But reading things into the text that aren't there isn't on them.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Thats your interpretation. Considering nrp's big tent comments, I am not going to be so generous in my interpretation.

    Current year, current list, I currently expect it to continue for this years rails world.

    Its linked to 2025 because 2026, as of now, doesnt exist.

    Until there is an explicit statement to the contrary, I will assume they are continuing as they were. I don't know how to make this any more clear to you, so I'll leave it at that.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I do cringe just a tad at "We don’t partner based on individuals’ or organizations’ beliefs, values, or political stances outside of their alignment with us on increasing the adoption of open source software." Mentioned here, but they do appear to do some research:

    On Hyprland specifically, we were aware that there was past toxicity and controversy in their community, so we did research into it before deciding if we could sponsor the project. What we found was that there were past failures in moderation early in the creation of the project that had resulted in a toxic community, that the project lead vaxry had overhauled moderation years ago as a result, and that the community as it currently stands does not represent the one in which the issues occurred.

    Though I cannot attest as to whether this clears anything/everything.

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