I wish they had a Framework 15 or 14. The 16 is HUGE and 13 is just too small for me.
Otherwise they look great!
I wish they had a Framework 15 or 14. The 16 is HUGE and 13 is just too small for me.
Otherwise they look great!
In this thread: perfect being the enemy of better.
Overall I am very happy with companies interacting with and funding the open source development community. I respect framework a whole lot more than dell, for example.
Love these guys. Have one of their laptops and one of my friends recently ordered one as well. :)
I wanted to buy one but they are so damn expensive. DDR5 prices don't help neither.
Laptops looked neat, then I looked at pricing and possible I/O combos and Lenovo still kills it.
Saw them as a possible thinkpad replacement but noped at the pricing then double noped after the I/O options. They are awesome machines though, glad they're around, without them I'm not so sure Lenovo would have made the new T series so repairable.
Framework is nothing more, than a compromise with the enshittification came from the push of techbro journos soyfacing over ultrathin Macbooks, and having meltdowns if a notebook isn't made with "high quality premium materials".
Cool, but have they stopped supporting Nazis though?
worth noting the platforms they use, too. they still promote their mastodon & bluesky accounts on their website, but they basically haven’t posted there in 4 months, since that’s where people called them on for their bullshit
on xitter tho? not only are they posting much more there, they’ve even paid the elon tax for that sweet blue checkmark!
framework, like any organization that declares itself a "big tent", has embraced their new audience of fascists even if it means disregarding everyone else.
i only hope kde can escape the toxic sludge this connection will bring them.
I believe so: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships
But if so, it is more that they are simply not continuing to make additional contributions in the future. There was no apology for any confusion or anything like that, and they seem to be sticking to their "big tent" philosophy.
Hyprland is still on the list
What is wrong with Hyprland?
A former moderator on their official Discord forum made some offensive remarks or something. That soured the entire project for some people for good, I guess.
Yeah, I've seen screenshots and their comments were pretty disgusting
And those comments don't reflect the views of the devs. The mod was the issue
The creator, Vaxry, made many hateful comments. Mostly on Discord. I'm in the Arch Linux Community discord, which he got banned from a few years ago (I was not there at the time), and his message history there has tons of bad takes.
What is the ethical fork of hyprland?
Is it ethical to fork it?
Yes it is. That is what forking is for
So if you think a code base or project is unethical, forking it fixes the problem?
XLibre comes to mind.
They never gave Omarchy money directly from what I'm aware, just gave them shoutouts. Still not okay though
Not quite technically "money directly", but definitely more than just "shoutouts"
We’ve sent out large quantities of hardware to folks at Fedora, Bluefin, Bazzite, NixOS, Arch Linux, Linux Mint, Omarchy, and many other distros, and have sponsored either the organizations directly or events with Linux Foundation, LVFS, NixOS, Debian, KDE, Hyprland, and others.
https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986
If you have... Time, the forum post has a lot of the context and drama: https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986
It's a bad time to learn that hyprland community is toxic. I've used it for a long while now pretty comfortably.
Seeing Framework give money to DHH is like watching someone step on a rake and defending it.
I'm tired of idiots who defend anything as long as they like it, and only care about morality when they're offended.
I saw the same thing happen with popular new game Mewgenics where creator of Binding of Isaac, Edmund, defended including Chris Chan, who couldn't be found guilty of SA'ing their demented mother on account of their autism.
It's not only decision but the defense that makes these things look bad. They need to give money to fascists. They need to include controversial people. The people who defend it seem like they perceive criticism as personal attacks and retaliate in bad faith arguments.
At this point I'm venting. Lemmy is great because it tends to attract people who are less pressured to conform to their tribes, which is great for having authentic discussions.
I mean if just the community is toxic I just wouldn't participate - if it's some negative trait is that. I can use a tool and not contribute to that toxicity.
But for moral issues like supporting a project that I'm turn supports fascism, homophobia, etc. I will protest by simply not bring a user. I don't make this part of my identity, I probably should though - I don't check these things, I only find out.
It's a bummer too because I was planning on getting a framework laptop. Wound up just getting another Lenovo business laptop secondhand lol.
Someone else probably can give better context, but basically Framework donated money to one project that had some controversy (I never actually saw much evidence for it being severe enough to really cause the type of backlash that Framework got) and repeatedly and disproportionately promoted another project by someone who seemingly to want mass deportation of brown people in London/UK and promotes such with the platform. Someone called framework on those two things and the CEO's response on their forum was a "we want to run a big OOS tent" and then went to xitter to whine about the community being mean to them.
Are you referring to Omarchy by David Heinemeier Hansson? He's definitely a racist and not sponsored by Framework.
Can we also please stop calling every piece of shit a nazi?
If someone is a violent ethnonationalist I'm gonna call them a Nazi. I think my earlier reply already addresses your first point.
who are they supporting that has killed jewish people?
Most Nazis never killed Jewish people. Did Hitler ever even kill a Jewish person himself? Were the people in the Nazi party not Nazis in 1932 because the holocaust hadn't started yet? And the genocide included far more than just Jewish people.
AKTUALY Murdering Innocent Civilians is AS Jewish as you can BE!
-The ADL, AIPAC, The BBC!
yep and they reduced gnome down to $0 after gnome called them nazi’s
good work gnome, you played yourself
Agreed, but if they are still giving money to alt-right idiots I'm going to keep them off my "buy" list. I'll have to see if they are.
Edit: Looks like they are still giving money to DHH via rails, so I'm glad they are giving money to KDE, but framework still won't get any more money from me. Hopefully its just old donations and it gets cleared off. Doesn't look like they've been promoting that assholes stuff lately, at least.
Totally out of the loop here. What who where?
Edit: answered my own question. https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986
DHH is a millionaire, so I don't think he cares. He's also just one of many in the Rails project.
Instead of Framework, what else can you recommend?
There's a whole list of things with DHH with FW, there are plenty of details so I'm not going through the whole thing. I'd also mention we've got a pretty obvious problem with millionaires and up with their quest for money currently causing massive problems around the world, so his being a millionaire is not a positive.
For open hardware? MNT.
Where did you find they're still giving money to rails?
I came across this blog post on sponsorships, which I find a bit difficult to parse, but it doesn't appear as if they've given anymore after the initial support.
Railsworld sponsorship, which is still massively outsizing most other support. What I don't see is any more of the constant posts about Omarchy, which is a net improvemen but still not at the spot I personally want to see.
I understand that it's about the Rails World 2025 donation, but where do you see they're still supporting Rails?
Its in the list in the March 2026 blog post. Since there are no dates in the columns, to me that shows as "this year's list of assigned donations".
Because:
You can see our full set of our sponsorships in the table below. As always, let us know of any other organizations you believe we should sponsor!
I agree the post is unclear, but I'm not sure where you get your assumption of it being "this year's list". That is reading something in the text which isn't there. Furthermore;
That does not show continued support in and of itself.
And until they clarify, I will continue to assume its a current list. The ball isnt in my court to make it clear they have stopped supporting racist shitheads.
It is a current list, yes. Just not current year's list.
Some public statement on the Rails matter would be nice, I also agree. A clearer list would similarly be welcome. But reading things into the text that aren't there isn't on them.
Thats your interpretation. Considering nrp's big tent comments, I am not going to be so generous in my interpretation.
Current year, current list, I currently expect it to continue for this years rails world.
Its linked to 2025 because 2026, as of now, doesnt exist.
Until there is an explicit statement to the contrary, I will assume they are continuing as they were. I don't know how to make this any more clear to you, so I'll leave it at that.
Do as you please. I understand your concern, but putting words in their mouth does not make your case any stronger.
I do cringe just a tad at "We don’t partner based on individuals’ or organizations’ beliefs, values, or political stances outside of their alignment with us on increasing the adoption of open source software." Mentioned here, but they do appear to do some research:
On Hyprland specifically, we were aware that there was past toxicity and controversy in their community, so we did research into it before deciding if we could sponsor the project. What we found was that there were past failures in moderation early in the creation of the project that had resulted in a toxic community, that the project lead vaxry had overhauled moderation years ago as a result, and that the community as it currently stands does not represent the one in which the issues occurred.
Though I cannot attest as to whether this clears anything/everything.
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