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Framework becomes a KDE Patron helping to fund open source (www.gamingonlinux.com)
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[–] 38 points 7 months ago (32 children)

Cool, but have they stopped supporting Nazis though?

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago

    worth noting the platforms they use, too. they still promote their mastodon & bluesky accounts on their website, but they basically haven’t posted there in 4 months, since that’s where people called them on for their bullshit

    on xitter tho? not only are they posting much more there, they’ve even paid the elon tax for that sweet blue checkmark!

    framework, like any organization that declares itself a "big tent", has embraced their new audience of fascists even if it means disregarding everyone else.

    i only hope kde can escape the toxic sludge this connection will bring them.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    I believe so: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships

    But if so, it is more that they are simply not continuing to make additional contributions in the future. There was no apology for any confusion or anything like that, and they seem to be sticking to their "big tent" philosophy.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Hyprland is still on the list

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    What is wrong with Hyprland?

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    A former moderator on their official Discord forum made some offensive remarks or something. That soured the entire project for some people for good, I guess.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, I've seen screenshots and their comments were pretty disgusting

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And those comments don't reflect the views of the devs. The mod was the issue

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    The creator, Vaxry, made many hateful comments. Mostly on Discord. I'm in the Arch Linux Community discord, which he got banned from a few years ago (I was not there at the time), and his message history there has tons of bad takes.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    What is the ethical fork of hyprland?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Is it ethical to fork it?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Yes it is. That is what forking is for

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    They never gave Omarchy money directly from what I'm aware, just gave them shoutouts. Still not okay though

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    Not quite technically "money directly", but definitely more than just "shoutouts"

    We’ve sent out large quantities of hardware to folks at Fedora, Bluefin, Bazzite, NixOS, Arch Linux, Linux Mint, Omarchy, and many other distros, and have sponsored either the organizations directly or events with Linux Foundation, LVFS, NixOS, Debian, KDE, Hyprland, and others.

    https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Context?

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    If you have... Time, the forum post has a lot of the context and drama: https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It's a bad time to learn that hyprland community is toxic. I've used it for a long while now pretty comfortably.

    Seeing Framework give money to DHH is like watching someone step on a rake and defending it.

    I'm tired of idiots who defend anything as long as they like it, and only care about morality when they're offended.

    I saw the same thing happen with popular new game Mewgenics where creator of Binding of Isaac, Edmund, defended including Chris Chan, who couldn't be found guilty of SA'ing their demented mother on account of their autism.

    It's not only decision but the defense that makes these things look bad. They need to give money to fascists. They need to include controversial people. The people who defend it seem like they perceive criticism as personal attacks and retaliate in bad faith arguments.

    At this point I'm venting. Lemmy is great because it tends to attract people who are less pressured to conform to their tribes, which is great for having authentic discussions.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I mean if just the community is toxic I just wouldn't participate - if it's some negative trait is that. I can use a tool and not contribute to that toxicity.

    But for moral issues like supporting a project that I'm turn supports fascism, homophobia, etc. I will protest by simply not bring a user. I don't make this part of my identity, I probably should though - I don't check these things, I only find out.

    It's a bummer too because I was planning on getting a framework laptop. Wound up just getting another Lenovo business laptop secondhand lol.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago

    Someone else probably can give better context, but basically Framework donated money to one project that had some controversy (I never actually saw much evidence for it being severe enough to really cause the type of backlash that Framework got) and repeatedly and disproportionately promoted another project by someone who seemingly to want mass deportation of brown people in London/UK and promotes such with the platform. Someone called framework on those two things and the CEO's response on their forum was a "we want to run a big OOS tent" and then went to xitter to whine about the community being mean to them.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Are you referring to Omarchy by David Heinemeier Hansson? He's definitely a racist and not sponsored by Framework.

    Can we also please stop calling every piece of shit a nazi?

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  • [+] -34 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    who are they supporting that has killed jewish people?

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago

    Most Nazis never killed Jewish people. Did Hitler ever even kill a Jewish person himself? Were the people in the Nazi party not Nazis in 1932 because the holocaust hadn't started yet? And the genocide included far more than just Jewish people.

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