As the war in Iran pushes U.S. gas prices toward $4 a gallon nationally, some lawmakers are pushing to suspend the federal gasoline tax in the latest attempt to try to control surging energy costs.

Lawmakers say the action would provide much-needed relief for families and businesses that rely on their cars and trucks to get to work and school and run everyday errands.

Asked about the gas tax at a Cabinet meeting Thursday, Donald Trump said he has “thought about” suspending it but suggested states should consider suspending their fuel taxes.

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[–] 56 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Everything but public transportation.

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The fact that states are thinking of pausing the tax just pisses my EV driving ass off. Here they made registration more expensive for EVs because "we don't pay gas tax" so if they suspend it what are the chances we EV drivers get a refund? I bet its less than zero.

    Meanwhite the drivers of the polluters and gas guzzlers get a discound to continue to pollute. They should be making EVs more desirable by having no tax or extra fees, make others jealous and have FOMO.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    The EV fees are a very stupid solution to a real policy issue.

    They should change it to a fee by vehicle weight, based on road wear caused. This means the vast majority of road maintenance will be paid for by the groups that actually cause it: trucking companies.

    We can keep gas taxes as a fee for poisoning everyone.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Trucking companies will be very happy to pass that cost along to you, esteemed final consumer.

    Road infrastructure is already heavily subsidized by the taxpayers, which in the US is basically the same as saying drivers, so I don't see how that changes anything.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    The point is that it would force trucking companies to make choices that consider effects on the road infrastructure.

    Do I continue shipping pretty much everything in trucks as big as possible? Or do I consider smaller trucks for shorter distances? Maybe I should hire developers to determine the most cost-efficient system of paths by small trucks and large trucks? What if I used trains or ships for some long distance travels? Would that make sense? Etc.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    US is burning through cash at a unprecedented rate and nobody seems to be talking about it.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago*

    Remember how some car drivers get mad about cyclists because they feel like cyclists don't pay for roads because bikes don't pay gas tax?

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It was already so low that the impact of removing it is going to be nothing

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    I was under the impression that gas taxes paid for roads, in that case how do they plan to fund all the road maintenance that decades of overfunding road construction while underfunding transit has created a need for?

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    LOL, nope. Gas tax revenue is only a small fraction of the cost of road maintenance.

    The notion that drivers are paying their fair share is just a lie carbrains claim in order to bully cyclists.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    @grue @Armok_the_bunny But with that said, as gas taxes do pay for some of road maintenance and expansion and the politicians in power (from both parties but especially Republicans) will never get over their addiction to reckless highway expansion, any temporary or permanent cuts to gas tax will be accompanied by efforts to end federal funding for transit as well as any facilities at all for people to walk and bike safely on roads.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    That tax argument has never really made sense to me. As an avid cyclist, I don't know anyone that owns a bike but doesn't also own a car. I'm sure they exist in big cities, but I've never met them.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 7 months ago*

    It's not meant to make sense; it's meant to sound 'truthy' (which is not the same as 'truthful') enough to serve as an excuse try to attack cyclists as not deserving to use the road.

    The reality is, road wear and tear goes up with the fourth power of vehicle weight. If cyclists were taxed 1¢ and other road users were taxed fairly and proportionally, the average sedan driver would be taxed thousands of dollars, and 18-wheeler drivers would be taxed millions.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Who wants to bet when the cut the taxes that the companies will just pocket the difference. Same as the tariffs. All these things supposed to be helping normal people end up helping the already rich. So weird. /s

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    If only people didn't need to commute to an office 3-5 days a week! Gee, if only that was proven to work at scale for multiple years!

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    The gummit don’t need money right? We just live off debt. 50 billion a week?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    How about just paying out the tax money directly to people instead?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Still 2/3 of the inflation adjusted price in 07 under Bush, surprisingly.

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    [–] 103 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Less funding for crumbling highways, bridges, and roads. But keep driving! We won't rethink public transit or automotive dependency. We won't spend the money more wisely or make transportation more efficient. Nope, keep feeding the gas dependence to justify more oil wars!

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think the point is, they should stop double dipping... the profits they're making from the war should go to the roads so the people can continue to go to work and keep supporting the system. They're totally not going to stop double dipping, but that's what the point is, that they should stop double dipping.

    Also, do federal taxes pay for roads or just state/local? What federal agency works on roads? I always thought they were state run.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    If only there was an alternative fuel source for vehicles that we were in the middle of investing in that may have paid off in situations like this.

    A shame that doesn’t exist.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago*

    Situations like.... Going to war to keep the petro dollar fueled?

    What's crazy is this was 100% predictable. Shit, YouTuber RealLifeLore did a video titled "What happens if Iran blocks the strait of Hormuz" like 5 years ago.

    So it's like yeah we stopped EV industry because we want to support big oil. Big oil requires we go to war in the middle east. Going to war in the middle east invariably raises oil prices.

    I guess what I'm saying is "too bad no EVs to save us right now" is the least infuriating part. We don't have EVs because we are raising oil prices.

    It's insane.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    This is building a great case for america to

    1. Invest in better public transit infrastructure
    2. Adopt EVs even faster
    3. Make biking a safer transportation choice for everyone

    But...

    It won't.

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    I didn’t read the article, fwiw. EVs should be taxed.

    I'm already taxed on my EV at the state level. The article you didn't read would add additional federal taxes. I'm not opposed to paying my fair share to maintain roads. The problem is these EV tax levels are WAY OVER the fair share for EV drivers.

    US infrastucture is paid for by taxes on fuel at the pump, so all EVs do is destroy roads.

    The problem is proportion. The EV, lets call them "road taxes", are a static number, and that number is VERY HIGH.

    Lets assume the average car gets 30 miles/gallon. My current state EV tax is $200/year. The total fuel tax (state and federal) where I live is 38.5 cents/gallon. If we do the math EVs are paying the tax on the equivalent driving of 15,584 miles/year.

    The article you didn't read talks about the GOP wanting to put an additional $250/year tax on EVs at the federal level. So using the same metrics as in the example before an EV would be paying the tax on the equivalent driving of 36,065 miles/year.

    To add insult to injury, I drive less than 9k miles a year.

    Because these are static taxes and not based on actual use, actual road damage, there's nothing a consumer can change in behavior to lower the tax except to buy a gasoline car instead.

    This also says nothing to the argument that while, yes "all vehicles destroy roads", a passenger vehicle does a tiny fraction of the damage of a giant 18-wheeler (HGV). While those big shipping trucks certainly use more fuel, they damage they do to roads far exceeds the tax they pay in fuel*.

    So again, I'm fine paying my fair share of road taxes, but the current and proposed additonal EV road taxes are disproportionally high compared to both gasoline vehicles and giant 18-wheeler trucks.

    Repeal the gas tax and tax the weight of the vehicle is a sane option. I am sure that isn’t what the oil-backed GOP wants, though.

    I'd be fine with that.

    However, my original reply stands. The GOP, in the face of high oil costs, are making EV adoption even harder.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    $0.184 a gallon.

    So that $5.00 price I saw the other day would be $4.816. Not a significant improvement. Even losing my states $0.40 tax would make it $4.416.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    How about we tax the producers of the gas instead of the consumers? Same gas tax, but it comes from the rich fat cats who can afford it. The oil companies have a fuck ton of money and all the do is lobby and leech off government resources.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    What are your fuel costs normally? Because 99p per litre of the most expensive diesel there is a fucking steal.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Americans have dirt cheap gas, it's one of the reasons they have the giant fuel inefficient trucks and SUVs everywhere. Of course they're pissed gas has gotten more expensive when their cars eat up 10 liters of gas per 100km.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks to conservative identity politics and their “trucks are for REAL men” bullshit thats been going on a few decades its actually way worse than 10l/100km thats like 23mpg. Those big trucks are more like 16l/100km. All for folks who just commute in those monstrous things. And its not at all uncommon to see the luxury trims that run $80-$100k

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    Seems like 0.80 USD/litre is about the average in USA and it has "soared" to 1.05.

    Here in Denmark it's currently at 2.50 and before the Iran war it was at 2.10 $/L

    So I wholly agree, that's a steal any day

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    If we hadn't let hour+ long commutes in places with no reasonable public transport become normalized, it'd be much less of a problem. Americans routinely drive distances that would make Europeans slackjawed and for no good reason.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It’s $6 in California; I’ve heard it’s more expensive here, too, as it is refined more and better for engine.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Wow. We have not even begun to see the deficit spending apparently. talk about go brrrr. go brrrrrr indeed.

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