When I was a kid, they drilled into me that I had to be nice and share. Entering adulthood was whiplash.
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This reminds me of a few rules of acquisition.
111: Treat people in your debt like family… exploit them.
211: Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.
"Ferengi workers don't want to stop the exploitation. We want to find a way to become the exploiters." -- Rom
"Suit yourself. But I don't see you exploiting anyone." -- Bashir
... And then Rom sets up the first Ferengi Workers Union, and wins.
SCAM ALERT!!!
Someone will hire you to “create wealth through hard work” but then take most of that wealth for themselves. This has happened to me and some of my friends too. Watch out!
Maybe if people stopped lying to each other?
It's so simple! Why didn't anyone else think of this?!
You can own a company with no employees other than yourself and only one house.
1 house, sure, but only companies with 1 employee? That's just entirely impossible without reverting back to a straight global federation of luddite city states, which would be slim pickings to the first technologically superior predator state (which they will be, since making rockets and guns at a rate necessary for warfare generally requires companies with more than one employee).
The optimal system can't just be an ideal spherical cow, it also has to compete with adversarial predatory nation states that don't follow your ideals.
I am a financial/business advisor to a small law firm. They have the best secretarial/paralegal team in the county. They also pay the highest rates in the county, have damn good profit sharing and have for as long as I've advised them. I told them that it's what would happen. They didn't hire different people, just the folk there felt valued and (I didn't tell the lawyers this bit) probably like they owned the means they were producing. A little woah. But I like to think I made some good bosses out of them.
The problem with this idea is that, while being obviously correct, it's a lot easier to become a landlord than to overthrow a worldwide economic system.
Working isn’t necessarily being exploited though.
I have a great boss for a small company. Last year we got pay rises and a reduction in hours at the same time. Don’t feel I’m being exploited, it’s quite the opposite as works comes second to our health.
I’ve lost track of how much sick time I’ve had due to mental health etc. we are not giving targets or micromanaged or anything like that.
Under capitalism, it is almost by definition. Glad you're having a better time than the rest of us, but your personal anecdote is irrelevant to society at large.
You would not be employed if it wasn't profitable. Which also means the surplus value of your labor, above and beyond what you're being compensated for, is going to your employer. That's exploitation. It's mandatory in most employment under capitalist economics.
There is never going to be a 1:1 ratio between labour value and compensation. Even in a non-profit employee-owned cooperative, there will be external costs that will have to funded from somewhere.
It becomes exploitation when that ratio becomes disproportionate and the ownership starts extracting more than their fair share. Capitalism definitely does nothing to discourage this, but it's not a mandatoy feature.
Even in a non-profit employee-owned cooperative, there will be external costs that will have to [be] funded from somewhere.
That somewhere being reduced labor compensation no matter what, meaning the labor is just worth that much less. That doesn't entitle an "owner" to jack shit.
It becomes exploitation when that ratio becomes disproportionate and the ownership starts extracting more than their fair share.
Their fair share is nothing. A disproportionate ratio is any ratio greater than 0. No labor should be "owned" by anyone not performing it. There should not be "ownership" involved. Organizational leaders, sure. And they should also just be regular laborers, paid in the same manner.
I understand the surplus value argument and I’m not dismissing it, within that framework you’re technically correct. But reducing all employment to exploitation by definition flattens a meaningful distinction between a worker being genuinely mistreated and one who isn’t.
My point wasn’t that capitalism is perfect or that my experience is universal. It was that employment isn’t inherently exploitative in the lived sense, conditions, power dynamics, and how surplus is distributed all matter. A framework that calls everything exploitation equally makes it harder to identify and fight actual exploitation where it’s causing real harm.
The problem is that under capitalism, which is a competitive ecosystem, over the short term those qualities are selected against, and it constantly, naturally, seeks continuous vertical integration which necessarily puts the wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands over time.
Now you can claim this can be prevented with regulation, but in practice that will only slow the process since even slow centralization of wealth leads to people with vastly disproportionate wealth, and therefore influence over regulatory policies, which they will degrade over time (once again because the corporations which do deregulate themselves will be more selected for in a naturally selective ecosystem than those which fail to do so).
Capitalism as a system basically rewards the most unethical practices in it's ecosystem with more power.
I'm interested in anarchism, but the thing is, I have yet to get a satisfactory answer to, ''is that even likely in this lifetime?''. It's just swiftly dismissed as ''boo doomer''.
If it's not likely in my lifetime (which seems to be the case), I don't see why I'd invest attention, even if I see it as ideal.
The ultimate reality is nothing is likely in your lifetime except societal collapse from climate change.
What you do next is up to you, there is no saviour or solution coming. There is doing the best you can today, and trying to build up local community, skills, and bonds that may help you.
I'd have said, "then I'm not interested in this" until I read the last line. I suppose it's beneficial insofar as one can set up mutually beneficial communities etc.
so what you're effectively saying here is "why should i bother if i won't personally profit from it", which i'm not sure is something you can be reasoned out of.
We should work toward anarchy because it's the ring thing to do, if we don't do it then who will? It's like voting, if you don't vote for a small but good party then who will?
It's funny that these posts are blocking my Mullvad ip


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