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Anon makes some changes (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] 68 points 7 months ago (14 children)

I feel gross when I skip a shower for a day - I can't comprehend how I'd feel after a month.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Every body is different, but generally for most people every 2-3 days tends to be the sweet spot for a full shower with shampoo, conditioner, etc.

    Personally, I have greasy hair problems, and I ultimately found that showering less frequently made the biggest improvement of all of the changes I made. I'll generally shower every 2-3 days, and if I do something that makes me sweaty I'll hop in the shower and rinse off without using any product between those every other day showers

    On the other hand, for OOP, they're making some big changes and probably need the consistency of every day to help maintain the habit they're building

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I'm an old guy and have been showering daily since I was young. I feel itchy when I go 48 hours without showering. Never had any significant skin issues.

    But there's a pretty big difference between every three days and every month.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I feel gross if I don't brush right after coffee. Can't imagine a month.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Coffee is acidic. If you're brushing right after coffee, you may be damaging the enamel of your teeth (acid + scrubbing is not a good combination). And it can't grow back; once you've lost it, it's gone forever.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Your body gets used to it.

    Showering every day is also bad for your skin.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    I'm not the best guide for how often to shower, but every dermatologist-written guide I've read does indicate that a daily shower is unnecessary for most people and will (for most people) dry your skin. It can also damage your hair. This is true even in the absence of soap/detergent/shampoo.

    That said, if you do anything that causes you to sweat, I think it's prudent to do a quick rinse because you always smell worse to other people than you do to yourself due to olfactory saturation.

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    • [–] 83 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    You don’t want to do a job interview while being backed up with five days of semen you’ll come in your pants if the interviewer says something nice.

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    • [–] 38 points 7 months ago

    >job interview is cut short
    >they don't call me back
    >fallback to cave routine

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    [–] 31 points 7 months ago

    Still using 4chan so there's definite room for improvement.

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    [–] 81 points 7 months ago (19 children)

    its ok to fap

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    You can do it too much. Had an ex fuck up his nerve endings with deathgrip bad enough he couldn't get off in me. Nobody's had trouble before or after so.

    ¯ \_(ツ)_/¯

    but the solution is just do it less and grip less hard.

    I also find that while we haven't got to needing to schedule sex yet, hubs and I do have to coordinate when we masturbate to get the best odds of mutual orgasm. His sweet spot seems to be 24-36h. Mine is technically as long as possible but if I try to wait more than a week I start having really surreal wet dreams about lizard people and people I haven't met in over a decade and it resets my refractory period to sometime next millennia.

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  • [+] -18 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    That's like saying it's okay to eat to people who overeat on the daily

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    The problem isn't masturbating.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Everything is a problem if you’re doing it compulsively or mask something else.

    Masturbating can surprisingly help with restless leg syndrome but doing it in work might be a problem.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    So you understand that the problem isn't doing the thing, it's something else, and doing the thing is only bad because of that context. Then you ought to understand that treating the context is the solution, not insisting the person just not do the thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I do understand that, perhaps more acutely than most as I’ve had countless destructive “hobbies” (my god hobby is the softest word I could find here) that I used to mask the underlying issue. Heck I’m still not sure I know the underlying cause but I have translated those destructive things with positive ones but the goal is the same. This is all to say I’m well versed in addiction, compulsions, and poor mental health.

    With that in mind I would say that sometimes you have to stop the thing you’re doing, let’s say masturbating here, so you can get your body back to baseline before you can even begin to work with a therapist or do some introspection.

    I’m not saying we should demonise masturbation, just accept that for some people they may need to stop doing that for a period whilst they then fix the other shit they got going on.

    I’m in my forties and really never been happy and had a shit childhood that is still the cause of the way my mind bullies me to this very day. I’ve tried therapy before but when you’re in the midst of masking all your shit with other shit you really can’t make any progress in my experience. What I’ve done now is spend several years working on myself and replacing negative addictions with positive ones. That afforded me the will power to begin to remove the substances and other coping strategies. Now I actually feel I’m in a place where I might benefit from some EMDR or trauma therapy.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    With that in mind I would say that sometimes you have to stop the thing you’re doing, let’s say masturbating here, so you can get your body back to baseline before you can even begin to work with a therapist or do some introspection.

    I’m not saying we should demonise masturbation, just accept that for some people they may need to stop doing that for a period whilst they then fix the other shit they got going on.

    If you think this is what "nofap" is about, you don't understand the issue. Nofap isn't a step toward therapy, nor does it avoid demonizing masturbation. It's manosphere propaganda aimed at lonely, frustrated men to manipulate them through shame and further deprivation. People who have a genuine problem with self control where masturbation is concerned are just catching strays in this war where nofap ideology is a weapon.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I had no idea that nofap was what you just described. I saw the green text as the person taking all those positives steps to get back to living life and not some Andrew Tate thing.

    I apologise for my misunderstanding and wading into this discussion, as my concern is for the people who are doing things compulsively not manosphere stuff.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It's 4chan. Of course it's a manospheric conformist post. If they actually did all that shit to improve their lives they'd also walk the fuck away from 4chan, not go brag about it to them.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Guess I don’t know much about 4chan other than seeing green texts and thinking it’s a bunch of oddballs trying to solve the odd murder.

    Didn’t know it was manosphere and don’t know it’s political leaning.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    I get what you’re saying, but would you adopt the same stance for example for gambling or drinking alcohol? They’re not necessarily bad per se, it’s the compulsion and the trigger points it evokes for some people where I think it’s completely fine to just accept that for them not doing it at all - even if for a time - might be the correct move.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Comparing a natural behavior to dependency on addictive chemicals is a bit silly. I'm not sure you're taking this seriously. And before you come back with "masturbation releases chemicals we can form a dependency on", literally SO many other mundane things have the same effect. Conservatives and fascists always care about this one in particular though, and that's the real reason we're talking about it.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    But that’s exactly what I am saying, there’s a wide variety of actions that - on their own - aren’t really harmful if done in moderation. Sure gambling and drinking are more extreme examples, but you yourself agree that these actions ‘release chemicals we can form a dependency on’. So does gambling, so does overeating, so does masturbation. If it’s an issue for the person and they’re not doing it for a while then I also don’t see the use in singling this out in the list of things here. If it helps the person get motivated/be proud and engage positive feedback loops to not do it, why single masturbation out as useless?

    Of course, ‘never fapping’ and automagically being a good person is an absurd manosphere grift to push. But if they were following a specific diet which in itself also doesn’t turn your life around but gets the ball rolling would you have the same stance? If it’s part of a process of change for a person I just don’t see the sense in such strong antipathy for this single case, I suppose.

    In other words, of the list of things here - cold showers, room tidying, brushing teeth, not eating like crap - it’s the masturbation this thread singles out and tells the person: no that thing, you should definitely continue doing that. Just seems unproductive to me.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    no that thing, you should definitely continue doing that. Just seems unproductive to me.

    Who brought that idea in? You just made that up.

    Of course, ‘never fapping’ and automagically being a good person is an absurd manosphere grift to push. But if they were following a specific diet which in itself also doesn’t turn your life around but gets the ball rolling would you have the same stance?

    What we're really talking about is the equivalent of following fad diets because a fascist with an agenda is trying to bend vulnerable people to a cause they don't understand, using psychological knowledge and conditioning techniques. These people are not consulting licensed professionals, they're not talking to psychiatrists or therapists, they're listening to Joe Rogen podcasts and Facebook propaganda.

    So while all these other things you talk about might have some merit to them, that's not what we're really talking about, nor what the problem actually is. The problem is these men live in a society that simultaneously tells them their desires are bad, show unrealistic body images and other impossible standards, tells them they need to work on themselves in superficial ways, and all while forcing them to live as wage slaves while the ultra-rich laugh at the impossible frustration they're putting people through.

    Figure it out.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Who brought that idea in? You just made that up.

    Oh, that’s what I understood from the thread starting with:

    its ok to fap

    But I agree with your points, in general.

    I guess where I am talking past you (or ‘listening’ past you, as it were) is that my argument is focused on this specific instance of someone doing something and I understood people to react with discouragement. You’re embedding the discussion into a wider societal angle. It still seems somewhat strange to bring it up in this instance as the original post also doesn’t mention any of the points you touch on and the ideas thus seem similarly ‘made up’ and brought in, for this case, to me.

    But I definitely don’t have an argument with the points themselves, they are well made.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Yeah but drinking is inherently bad for you. Whether you "have a problem" or not, everyone would be healthier not drinking.

    Masturbating is healthy, just like drinking water or excercise. Yes you can get water poisoning or you can over excercise and get terrible injuries, but plenty of each is good.

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    • [–] 133 points 7 months ago (23 children)

    Cold shower? There are no bonus points for effort. Just take a shower if you can.

    Extra levels of suffering suck and don't add anything to the experience. Basic self care is a good start. Trying to prove something to a straw man in the mind is silly.

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  • [–] 93 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Probably got the idea from the manosphere. That being said, actually sticking to that particular habit is something to be proud of, and is completely harmless... when you are that low, anything you can be proud of is a win.

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  • [–] 49 points 7 months ago* (15 children)

    There is some evidence that taking cold showers is materially beneficial. If you don't have some underlying heart condition and can handle them, they're not bad, and they'll save on electricity/gas. The "nofap" thing is what concerns me, since that's a very "manosphere" concept with no middle ground between healthy sexuality and a crippling masturbation addiction (IIRC the former sometimes comes with crazy, unsubstantiated benefits in the fiction of the manosphere).

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Its only 5 days. Thats a fine amount to not fap. The reason its pushed it cause these porn addicted cunts are fapping like 5 times a day.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    I don't know why you're being downvoted so heavily. I agree that five days isn't some brutal, or even abnormal, act of chastity. It's moreso that "nofap" has connotations beyond just breaking an unhealthy masturbation addiction, and because everyone's healthy status quo is different, keeping track of a specific number of days since you jorked your pork isn't a great metric of how someone's dealing with addiction. What's a lot more important is how you're approaching it; are you being mindful in the moment, or are you just doing it for a quick hit?

    Recovering drug addicts will treat number of days since their last hit as a metric for success, but usually, e.g. with alcohol or nicotine, there isn't a healthy upside to the object of their addiction like masturbation. "Nofap" basically does treat it like something strictly detrimental, and it stigmatizes something that's normal, ironically probably coming with some mental health implications of its own (in a similar way that religious stigma against it often does).

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago* (11 children)

    That article doesn't say "cold showers are good for you!" it says "well, they aren't going to necessarily kill you, but watch out if you have these health conditions. I bet we can brainstorm some bullshit health benefits."

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)

    I bet we can brainstorm some bullshit health benefits.

    Dude, jesus christ. The Cleveland Clinic is a real, nonprofit medical institution. A professional writer consulted a (named, he's right there) medical doctor for this. There's compelling enough evidence elsewhere to support what this article is saying. Linked is a 2025 PLoS One systematic review and meta-analysis for cold-water immersion (CWI), including cold showers; more research is needed, but the authors at least make a conclusion in favor of CWIs, which says a lot for this type of paper.

    Can you please get off your Dunning–Kruger high horse for five seconds and stop contributing to the science denialism that's unraveling society? I take scalding hot showers; not everything has to be an attack you have to defend against.

    Also:

    That article doesn’t say “cold showers are good for you!”

    Motherfucker, the section header after the introductory paragraph literally reads: "Why cold showers are good for you". Was your problem that they missed the exclamation point or something?

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  • [+] -20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

    i'm more familiar with the cleveland clinic than you are. this is literally a bullshit article.

    Jesus shit you are worked up about this. Like, I have got to take some time and email these doctors and ask them why they wasted their lives creeping on people watching them shower. Why they are so perverted. They could have stayed home playing video games and the world would be exactly the same

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    i'm more familiar with the cleveland clinic than you are.

    Good for you. It's hard to tell how much I need to explain to establish a baseline understanding when you act like such an insufferable, provably wrong dipshit.

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    Okay I'm sorry for making fun of your stupid peer review failing shower research and your graduating bottom of your class and your inability to write a good article and your fucking up at your trade pretty much constantly because of graduating at the bottom of your class, you know like all family medicine doctors.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I think you both need to cool it a bit

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    An ice plunge or rolling around in the snow both feel great afterwards. Really gets the endorphins going. The same applies to cold showers, although I usually do that only when I can get back into a 100°C sauna immediately after. That's double the endorphin rush.

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    • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    It will hit hard once he wakes up

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    [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    manifesting this for myself

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    [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    Proud of you my son/daughter/offspring.

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