cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/40147434

image comparing two cars. a person calls the first car brilliant captioned [no-one is illegal on stolen land]

in the second picture he points to the other car and says "but I like this this" captioned [no-one is illegal]

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[–] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Property is theft, so the two are the same

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Private property is, yeah.

    Not trying to be a pedantic dick, its just annoying when I see people go "leftists want to take your toothbrush" when they don't understand the idea of private property being theft.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    You aren't wrong, and I don't think you're being overly pedantic, but you also didn't explicitly mention the distinction that most leftists draw between private property (i.e. property that is owned by someone who does not use it, but makes other people pay to do so) and personal property (property that is owned and used by the same person, like the aforementioned toothbrush). Most people who object to the original statement don't know the difference and use the terms as if they were synonymous.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    This is true, but to float a counterpoint: the "on stolen land" is a direct counter to white-supremacist ideas that settler-colonies such as the US are and have always been "white countries", and those are the usual type of people calling immigrants "illegals".

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Colonialists then: nobody is illegal

    Colonialists now: cross that border and I'll shoot you!

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    “There is a very interesting debate raging at the moment about the nature of sin, for example,” said Oats.

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    “But they starts with thinking about people as things…”

    Sir Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulem

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    There's no hyphen in "no one"

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    no one is illegal

    I get where you're coming from, but that philosophy didn't work too well for indigenous people, hence the longer saying...

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    I don't remember it being "nobody is illegal unless invading, even if labeled 'colonising'".

    (Europeans mostly haven't stolen the land they are currently on but are still discriminating against immigrants, thereby making the stolen land saying unfit. I'm sure it has problems outside Europe too though.)

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    we still doing "all lives matter" huh?

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Not comparable. „No one is illegal on stolen land“ implies that the measures taken in the US could be justified if it wasn’t a colony. „No one is illegal“ is a widespread pro-immigrant motto in Europe.
    „Black lives matter“ didn’t include anything to make the movement region-specific.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I don't agree, the context of where it's said is important. Europe isn't a colony and so that's fine, but "no one is illegal" in the USA implies that colonizers are fine.

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    [–] 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Any land where anyone is barred from entering is stolen land.

    All the land belongs to us all. When you exclude someone, you're stealing it from them.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    This is a pretty extreme view. I'm stealing from someone for locking my doors at night? I get your sentiment, but the statement doesn't pass a sanity check.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This gets into the tired argument of private property vs personal property. Leftists have long since solved this "problem".

    You can lock your door for personal security, but capitalist notions of land ownership are incompatible with collectivist societal structures.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    We were all born to this earth equally and with equal rights to dignity and freedom.

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