Property is theft, so the two are the same
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This is true, but to float a counterpoint: the "on stolen land" is a direct counter to white-supremacist ideas that settler-colonies such as the US are and have always been "white countries", and those are the usual type of people calling immigrants "illegals".
Colonialists then: nobody is illegal
Colonialists now: cross that border and I'll shoot you!
“There is a very interesting debate raging at the moment about the nature of sin, for example,” said Oats.
“And what do they think? Against it, are they?” said Granny Weatherwax.
“It’s not as simple as that. It’s not a black and white issue. There are so many shades of gray.”
“Nope.”
“Pardon?”
“There’s no grays, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.”
“It’s a lot more complicated than that—”
“No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.”
“Oh, I’m sure there are worse crimes—”
“But they starts with thinking about people as things…”
Sir Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulem
no one is illegal
I get where you're coming from, but that philosophy didn't work too well for indigenous people, hence the longer saying...
That's a Great Replacement talking point. People aren't illegal, acts are. Showing up isn't a problem, genocide and theft are.
I don't remember it being "nobody is illegal unless invading, even if labeled 'colonising'".
(Europeans mostly haven't stolen the land they are currently on but are still discriminating against immigrants, thereby making the stolen land saying unfit. I'm sure it has problems outside Europe too though.)
we still doing "all lives matter" huh?
Not comparable. „No one is illegal on stolen land“ implies that the measures taken in the US could be justified if it wasn’t a colony. „No one is illegal“ is a widespread pro-immigrant motto in Europe.
„Black lives matter“ didn’t include anything to make the movement region-specific.
I don't agree, the context of where it's said is important. Europe isn't a colony and so that's fine, but "no one is illegal" in the USA implies that colonizers are fine.
even then, the crime is the colonization, the theft, not the people being there
By that measure, "no one is illegal on stolen land" implies that the colonizers aren't illegal on the land that they stole.
Unrelated
People don't suddenly become illegal just because they walk over to a different land
Any land where anyone is barred from entering is stolen land.
All the land belongs to us all. When you exclude someone, you're stealing it from them.
This is a pretty extreme view. I'm stealing from someone for locking my doors at night? I get your sentiment, but the statement doesn't pass a sanity check.
This gets into the tired argument of private property vs personal property. Leftists have long since solved this "problem".
You can lock your door for personal security, but capitalist notions of land ownership are incompatible with collectivist societal structures.
We were all born to this earth equally and with equal rights to dignity and freedom.
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