China has approved a sweeping new law which claims to help promote "ethnic unity" - but critics say it will further erode the rights of minority groups.

On paper, it aims to promote integration among the 56 officially recognised ethnic groups, dominated by the Han Chinese, through education and housing. But critics say it cuts people off from their language and culture.

It mandates that all children should be taught Mandarin before kindergarten and up until the end of high school. Previously students could study most of the curriculum in their native language such as Tibetan, Uyghur or Mongolian.

top 54 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 122 points 8 months ago* (17 children)

I'm Basque, we are "forced" to learn Spanish too since it's a co-official language in out autonomous region of Spain.

This post might sound alarming to monolingual people, but for any multilingual that had to learn both official languages AND english, watching people complain about schools requiring extra languages is embarrassing.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the post, it doesn't imply that most lectures need to be in Mandarin, only that the kids need to be taught the language, right?

Edit: I read the post. The language thing doesn't matter, what's alarming is actually this:

The law also provides a legal basis to prosecute parents or guardians who may instil what it described as "detrimental" views in children which would affect ethnic harmony and it calls for "mutually embedded community environments".

If it were actually about language and communication, that bit wouldn't be there.

  • source
  • hideshow 17 child comments
  • [–] 41 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    There are restrictions on teaching the Tibetan language. This seems like an authoritarian move, not an educational one.

    https://thetibetpost.com/news/tibet/china-imprisons-tibetan-monk-for-six-years-for-teaching-tibetan-language

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [+] -3 points 8 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Firstly, they didn't quote anything. Secondly, it's very clear what they said is true no matter what they linked as proof of that. As per the other reply and if you'd have taken a few minutes to look up what other articles have said, it's not wrong. I agree that it wasn't a good choice but you're apparently dumb enough to think that absolutely anything reported/said by something or someone bad must be untrue. Everything, no matter who and where it comes from should be looked at through facts and not "bad person/thing said something so it's automatically untrue".

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Catalan here, always funny to see monolinguals be shocked when China does it but turn around and see nothing wrong with Spain imposing Spanish to all its regions in the same way

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    I think it varies in parts of Xinjiang, but in at least part of it, along with most of the rest of China, most school instruction is in Mandarin.

    Everyone still speaks their native languages, but they speak mando to chinese from other places. The kids know a few english phrases too for some reason.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Except they literally won't allow non-Mandarin families to teach their own cultures' languages or histories. That's not something I read second hand either, that's from talking one-on-one with a Uyghur linguist that was given special recognition by an international linguistics organization for his efforts to save the language.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [+] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    You didn't read past my first paragraph man. You completely misunderstood the point I was making in the first half of the comment. I'm clearly making a similarity to then expand by saying that I don't feel like it's a problem for the official language to ALSO be learnt, and that for any multilingual person such a thing being complained about sounds silly.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago

    Unless I’m misunderstanding the post, it doesn’t imply that most lectures need to be in Mandarin, only that the kids need to be taught the language, right?

    You are misunderstand it (and the BBC article is also very unclear about it). Learning Mandarin was already mandatory, it's now about making Mandarin the default.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 62 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Watch as Americans without a shred of irony decry this and then demand people in our country speak English.

  • source
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    dude, I knew an old German woman who immigrated after WW2 to the US.

    she straight up started yelling at the Mexicans speaking Spanish that it's disrespectful to not speak English in the US.

    it's not just Americans doing it...

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I'm decrying this AND the racists that demand everyone speak English in America. The American racists will probably say that this is fine because it's Chinese governing Chinese, so long as they stay in China.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I think it's a good opportunity for language submersion. They can still speak their native language. Me friend taught her two kids to speak Japanese. They speak English at school in the US. I wish we had more immersion opportunities here. I didn't read the article so, I'm sure I'm missing the detail that warrants everyone's reaction though. It could be a good thing if they aren't being shitty simultaneously.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    A lot of people in this thread are interpreting the law through the lens of the BBC while also applying their American framework for language to China. I think there reasonable critiques one can make but most here seem to be based on wild assumptions that have little to do with the law or the Chinese context.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago

    You have to understand, this law explicitly protects the rights of minority languages. Also it’s important to understand that mandarin is kind of a western construct. It encompasses many different dialects that are actually distinguished in China.

    What is known as “the common language” which is what this law mandates schools teach is a constructed language. It shares similarities with but is not identical to the dialects of Heibei province and Beijing. Most Chinese people do not learn it as a first language anyways. The common language itself, is not a new invention either. Its origins can be traced back basically for as long China has been a state. With the lingual diversity within China, it’s long been necessary for administration and interregional commerce to be conducted in shared language.

    The government now is attempting to extend that to common people given the nature of Chinas modern economy and media landscape. This is a wildly different context than American settler colonialism where indigenous language not only did not receive any supports or protections but instead was actually banned. If you want to be critical of American chauvinism do not embrace it when interpreting the actions of another country. If you want to criticize China you need to actually understand it first.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    It's because we're living in a post American assimilation world and they don't realize that happened. But my grandparents would talk about how they'd be slapped on the hands with rulers for speaking Cajun French and now it's a dead language. This law feels like the first step to a similar cultural assimilation.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    I found this amusing: all the American LLM systems I fed the translated text to for a take refused to reply, calling the topic "prohibited."

    Stepfun3.5 (locally) had no problem, and surprisingly, neither did GLM 5 over their web UI; it went and double checked the Chinese translation, in fact, and said it's "difficult to square with international human rights norms," along with any LLM's usual hedged approach. I'll put the conclusion slop in a spoiler, but here it is:

    spoiler

    ### 5.2 Major concerns and criticisms
    
    1. **Language and education: heavy assimilation bias**
    
       - The law’s strong emphasis on Mandarin as the national common language, and on unified teaching materials, is widely seen by outside observers as **curtailing minority-language education**.  
       - BBC and other analyses note that it mandates Mandarin-medium education from pre-school through high school, replacing previous policies that allowed many subjects to be taught in Tibetan, Uyghur, Mongolian, etc.【turn1fetch2】  
       - While Art. 15 formally says minority languages are protected, the **practical effect** is likely to be further erosion of those languages as living languages of education and public life.
    
       This raises serious issues under international human rights standards on **minority language education and cultural rights**, even if Beijing argues that Mandarin improves job prospects and national unity.【turn1fetch2】
    
    2. **Ideological uniformity and freedom of expression**
    
       - The “five identifications,” the obligation to love the CCP and the motherland, and the restrictions on parents transmitting views “not conducive to ethnic unity” (Art. 20) go far beyond typical anti-discrimination or hate-speech rules.  
       - They effectively **mandate a specific political and historical narrative** and can be used to penalize dissenting views on history, politics, or religion.  
       - This is hard to reconcile with robust protections for freedom of expression and belief, even if one accepts that every state promotes some national narrative.
    
    3. **Potential for misuse and overreach**
    
       - Concepts like “undermining ethnic unity” or “ideas not conducive to ethnic unity” are broad and can be interpreted flexibly by local officials, especially in a context where the judiciary is not independent.  
       - The combination of:
         - vague prohibitions,  
         - extensive supervision and reporting obligations, and  
         - penalties for failing to stop “wrongful” behavior  
         creates a strong **incentive to over-enforce**, for fear of being accused of laxity.
    
    4. **Impact on minority communities and identities**
    
       - Policies promoting “mutually embedded” communities and Mandarin dominance can improve mobility and opportunity, but they can also **dismantle concentrated minority neighborhoods** and weaken the social base for distinctive linguistic and cultural practices.  
       - Scholars and exile organizations argue that this is part of a longer-term **“Sinicization” campaign** to reshape minority identities around a CCP-defined Chinese nation identity.【turn2search0】【turn2search1】
    
       That’s why many see the law as **“legalizing assimilation”** rather than simply promoting equality and unity.
    
    5. **Extraterritorial reach and foreign criticism**
    
       - Art. 63 claims jurisdiction over overseas organizations and individuals who target China with actions undermining ethnic unity.  
       - From Beijing’s perspective, this is a defensive move against foreign support for separatist or critical movements; from outside, it looks like an attempt to **export censorship** and intimidate critics abroad.
    
    ***
    
    ## 6. Overall judgment
    
    If I step back:
    
    - **Legally and institutionally**, the law is a significant step: it elevates “forging a strong sense of community for the Chinese nation” into a fundamental legal principle and tries to align every part of the state apparatus around that goal.  
    - **From a development and stability angle**, it strengthens tools for reducing regional inequality and managing ethnic-related risks, which could enhance social stability and long-term development—**provided** implementation is restrained and rights-protective.  
    - **From a human-rights and pluralism angle**, it clearly **prioritizes unity and commonality over diversity and minority rights**. The language and education provisions, ideological requirements, and broad prohibitions on “harmful” views will likely deepen fears of cultural erasure and political control, especially among Tibetans, Uyghurs, Mongolians, and other smaller groups.【turn1fetch2】【turn2search0】【turn2search1】
    
    So my view is:  
    - As a **state-building and governance instrument**, it’s coherent and ambitious.  
    - As a **framework for genuine ethnic pluralism and minority rights**, it leans heavily toward assimilation and control, and is difficult to square with international human rights norms, even if it formally commits to equality and non-discrimination.
    
    If you’d like, I can next map out specific “trade-offs” (e.g., unity vs. diversity, development vs. cultural rights) in a table or draw out a comparison with China’s earlier autonomy-based system.
    

    I'm not a tankie. I'll make fun of Sam Altman as an idiot all day long.

    ...But it is interesting how Chinese open-weights LLMs, for all their obvious gaps and kool-aid of their own, seem to be quite "uncensored" compared to American ones.

    It's... not a good sign.

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    If you post very long blocks like that I think it's considered polite to use a spoiler tag

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I assumed this was always the case in China, didn't they create mandarin with the sole purpose of making everyone learn it

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    China is a very large country and a lot of different ethnic groups. You don't see them because they have no mobility, aren't featured in Chinese media and the CCP really doesn't like them. Their idea of cultural "unity" is to convert everyone to Han.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    There's no way to define "ethnic unity" that doesn't involve racism and ethnic genocide.

  • source
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [+] -8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Well good thing then that China’s laws aren’t written in English yeah? The actual title of the law does not carry the connotations you think it does.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [+] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The original poster's point is precisely that it isn't "ethnic" because it's originally in Chinese (民族) without a direct obvious translation. The linked translated text has a note on their chosen translation:

    "民族- ethnic, ethnicity. Official translations are fond of translating this as nationality, which is confusing because it can confuse statehood/citizenship with ethnic identity. In most situations, we use forms of ethnic."

    https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/ethnic-unity-and-progress-law/#Notes

    For what it's worth, Firefox's translator (bergamot) also translates this as "National Unity". The definition on pleco seems to imply more of an ethnic nation, as in a nation of peoples as opposed to a nation state.

    Translation is not a one-to-one mapping between words. The act of translating a text will always distort the meaning a bit. It's good to consider what may have been lost in the process of translation, especially when a contentious translation seems to align with a position that is geopolitically convenient.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    "bUt In ChInA iT's CaLlEd ThE cUtE fLuFfY pUpPy LaW!"

    Idgaf what they call it, it can't change the purpose and inevitable effect of the law, which is to further the ongoing ethnic genocide.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (-1 replies)
  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, I have huge doubt that this law won't be used to crush any cultural diversity to make a mono culture.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system

    Despite current views that might define the system of residential schools as racist or genocidal, many scholars contend that they were seen as progressive at the time, a form of state intervention.

    The school system was created as a civilizing mission to isolate Indigenous children from the influence of their own culture and religion in order to assimilate them into the dominant Euro-Canadian culture.

    During their stay many students were forced to assimilate to Euro-Canadian culture, losing their Indigenous identities and struggling to fit into both their own communities as well as Canadian society.

    These acts assumed the inherent superiority of French and British ways, and the need for Indigenous peoples to become French or English speakers, Christians, and farmers.

    In 1894, amendments to the Indian Act made attendance at a day school, if there was a day school on the reserve on which the child resided, compulsory for status Indian children between 7 and 16 years of age. The changes included a series of exemptions regarding school location, the health of the children and their prior completion of school examinations.[

    The introduction of the Family Allowance Act in 1945 stipulated that school-aged children had to be enrolled in school for families to qualify for the "baby bonus", further coercing Indigenous parents into having their children attend.

    The Truth and Reconciliation Commission list three reasons behind the federal government's decision to establish residential schools.

    • Provide Aboriginal people with skills to participate in a market-based economy.
    • Further political assimilation, in hope that educated students would give up their status and not return to their reserves or families.
    • Schools were "engines of cultural and spiritual change" where "'savages' were to emerge as Christian 'white men'".
  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    It's China. The ethnostate. The country known for acting solely in the interest of the ethnostate.

    You should just assume it will be used to crush cultural diversity.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    The same people who scream “speak American” will have a problem with this.

  • source
  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    But when Spain or France does the same to its own minorities nobody cares

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 28 points 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Garbage journalism from the BBC. They provide no link to the primary source i.e. the text of the law: Ethnic Unity and Progress Law

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    (my bold)

    Article 46: Religious groups, religious schools and religious activity sites shall carry out publicity and education on forging a strong sense of the community of the Chinese people, persist in the direction of sinicization of our nation’s religions, guide religions to adapt to socialist society, guide religious professionals and believers to carry forward the tradition of patriotism, and promote ethnic, religious, and social harmony.

    Will children be punished for speaking languages other than Mandarin in schools?

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments
    view more: next ›
    2 comments in c/world view that post