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[–] 35 points 8 months ago (8 children)

As an EU citizen I'd say this should be a wakeup call to push for an alternative and open OS.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Fairphone with Linage or e/OS, the best EU alternatives

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    i have a feeling android is not the best alternative to android

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 8 months ago*

    That is nonsense, Android is OpenSource, based on Linux, adapted to mobile, but with APIs controlled by Google, Linage, e/OS, Ubuntu Touch, etc...... are other distros of Linux for Mobile, compatible with Android apps. There Google can do nothing to avoid the use of not approved apps, like it can do it in Android due it's inbuild APIs and banning those from Google Play, which other OS don't have or use. Because of this I also don't like GrapheneOS, because it works only on Google Phones, which can block apps on HW base if Google want it. In other Phones, eg.FairPhone with own idependent OS, there Google see only the middle finger.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    i get the feeling that both lineage and graphene are only temporary measures; locking down android is only the first step and google will push for further lockdown eventually.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    They literally have no power over the ROMs lol

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    the phone makers do and they'll do whatever google wants them to do.

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    What this basically is is signees asking Google to fix the problem that Google itself caused. I hope for other people's sake that this goes through, but since we're talking about Google, I am all but convinced that Google will pull something like this again in the future.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yeah I'm not holding my breath for this letter to do anything. I also find it funny that many projects among the signatures are probably the reasons for Google to be doing this in the first place (like FUTO, makers of GrayJay) since it could be argued that they are costing Google revenue and that's ultimately what they care about.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    You don't need Google's permission to host your own web application. Browsers and the internet are awesome. The Google play store is a nuisance and I look forward to the day when I can have a Linux distribution running on my phone with everything I need.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Eh, good riddance to gapps

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    [–] 45 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Petitions and shit would only have any meaning if the decisions were based on ethicand public interest, but it's all money and power, so the only petition and open letters worth signing are those just saying fuck google and the human garbage running it

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    I mean, that's great from a moral standpoint, but forking android will not also switch the billions of devices running it. The real problem is escaping or changing it at scale

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (8 children)

    Wouldn't funding MicroG be the better call to action?

    AFAIK this restriction will be part of Google Play certification and not AOSP itself.

    That means we'd need the ability to unlock bootloaders to be maintained, and a good comparable open source abtraction to Google Play Services so users have a soft off-ramp from the Google Play ecosystem

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Technically the correct first thing to do is to make the manufacturers release the relock keys for relocking the bootloaders of extant hardware (say, the Moto G6 for an example). Having MicroG or whatever is not much useful if there's not going to be a feasible phone on which to install, so getting extant phones to become relockable with AOSP distros would be priority. And the way the economy si going and the RAM chips are not, forcing everyone interested to have to buy a whole new phone is not a smart choice.

    Once the relock keys are out, fund All the Things. Lineage, Calyx, MicroG, what have you.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Technically the correct first thing to do is to make the manufacturers release the relock keys for relocking the bootloaders of extant hardware (say, the Moto G6 for an example).

    Yeah, but that's not profitable, so they won't.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Doesn't have to be profitable. Can also be punishable, either via adequate state violence, or via People violence. Could be interesting to see something like what the EU has made as a threat of removing all copyright safeguards for the US in case the US presents more as a threat, so I guess the equivalent would be removing all patent safeguards for tinkering with phone manufacturer firmwares if the manufacturers won't provide a solution for the People themselves.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Could be interesting to see something like what the EU has made as a threat of removing all copyright safeguards for the US in case the US presents more as a threat, so I guess the equivalent would be removing all patent safeguards for tinkering with phone manufacturer firmwares if the manufacturers won't provide a solution for the People themselves.

    I can get behind that. Hoping this shithole country grows a spine soon.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Believe it or not but the Pixel phones are some of the easiest to unlock and flash. You install graphene OS just through a web browser it's that easy. It is somewhat ironic given this move.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    There was a reason for this. Google always branded pixel and nexus devices as a dev kit for Android OS. So all different brands of Android phones started their OS development with pixel. But last year Google announced they are no longer recommending pixel devices as the backbone of Android OS development and that companies and users should target cuttlefish their emulator for AOSP. With that they also stopped sharing device trees and vendor blobs. That is nothing new for custom ROM community but Google always provided that and that made custom ROM development really easy with very fast update cycles. I'm just hoping they don't lock down Bootloader like others

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    What process? It's all closed source drivers by Qualcomm et al.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    Lets not act like this is an impossible task.

    There is a process and actually multiple ways to accomplish this. Looking into, we might not even need to fork android, but just support existing alternatives.

    I would think the first step is to fork the Android Open Source Project. use that as a base, start cutting out any links to google, fill in the gaps, etc. This is obviously not my realm of expertise but there is a path.

    "170,000 tech workers lost their jobs in the U.S. in the 18 months prior to mid-2025"

    Don't tell me we can't scrape together a team of experts and make this happen. Yes there will be barriers and push-back, but its either this or we just keep deepthroating google.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/the-fairphone-2-hits-five-years-of-updates-with-some-help-from-lineageos/

    https://itsfoss.com/linux-phones/

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I don't think unemployed developers have as much free time as you seem to think they do. Do you know how much the mortgage payments would be for a house in silicon valley? Not to mention other bills like their kids' tuition, car loans, etc.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The biggest way you can help is to TAKE ACTION. Get the ball rolling. Regardless what you think the solution is. Take action to make it happen. Don't wait on "someone else" will do it. If you don't have the skills or know how. Reach out to someone who does, keep the ball rolling

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Does anyone know if Huawei phones will be affected as well?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Here is the list of brands that it will affect. For the West, it's pretty much everything.

    https://www.android.com/certified/partners/

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    😔 Thank you for the list but yeah basically all of them.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    You'd need phone vendors going along with it. Good luck with that.

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Have you ever programmed an operating system?
    Especially for a handheld device?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Thousands in Silicon Valley do.

    Now watch this comment get downvoted.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Oh no, people are downvoting your braindead trolling? No way!

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    You can already kind of use them now, although they could still use some work from what I can tell.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I only know about PinePhone, Purism Librem, Jolla and postmarketOS..

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  • Also kupfer (pmos but arch), ubports (ex Ubuntu touch) and droidian (similar to ubports with being halium-based but Debian and conventional DEs, hence, it's supposed to actually run software). Mobile-nixos, to some extent, although it's more of a PoC, in my experience

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    I'd like to see an general computing bill that makes it mandatory for hardware developers to release all the source code with schemics.

    As well as an mandatory requirement to be forbidden from walled garden behaviour.

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    [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    Here's hoping this sparks off another round of EU antitrust investigation and enforcements. They're the only major force keeping this kind of thing in check these days.

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