It is worth noting that both the hardware and software of Fairphone is heavily dependent on a Chinese company T2Mobile.

For those looking to avoid both US and Chinese companies, then the Jolla phone is the way to go.

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[+] 83 points 8 months ago (23 children)
  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    same, but installing a different launcher is sadly mandatory as the default is ass

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Are tutorials to do this available?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I am very relatable regarding this change. i never know the settings page i need to go in order to change the launcher. I go to the settings and in the search bar, i input 'default'. In the result there should appear a Default home app. click that. If you have another launcher installed it should appear on the list.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What are the benefits of installing a new launcher? Is it just aesthetics?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    That and features. I use Smart Launcher because it has a transparent themes like Liquid Glass which blends with the wallpaper. Has good search function. also Auto organizes your apps in categories.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    How do you become comfortable with the amount of permissions the launchers need? I'm struggling with that. The default is not bad though.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I am using GrapheneOS, not Fairphone yet with e os. i went to the permissions after i read your comment and lawnchair actually doesn't have any permissions on my phone. I suspect eOS wouldn't need any either.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Nice. How does it work compared to Android? Do all apps work (bank, government, shops and so on)?

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago

    I have eOS on the fairphone 5, and I have had zero problems with banking apps and the like.

    That doesn't mean you won't have problems though, I don't use many of those kinds of apps other than a bank authentication app, and a few others for public transit tickets, etc. I also live in europe, milage may vary elsewhere.

    Keep in mind that eOS IS android, just with google telemetry removed. You can add a google account if you want/need to, at which point any android app should work as expected. That of course defeats the purpose somewhat, but even then eOS will still help you stay as private as possible by informing you about app trackers and using alternative services for location, etc.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Fairphone 6

    My bank app will install, but I can't login unless I also install Google Play Services. The website works fine without.

    No issues with other apps. I do prioritise installing from F-Droid whenever possible.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I use a different open source OS. Have you tried microG? Or is that already on e? Even if you have it, some parts might need configuring.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Yes, microG is on /e/OS by default. I believe my bank uses some of the security features from Play Services that aren't in microG.

    I'm not 100% sure that it can't be fixed, but it's such a minor nuisance that I don't think it's worth my time to investigate.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Not /e/OS user, but it is Android - just degoogled. Uses microG as a replacement for Google services if I'm not mistaken.

    As for apps, I recommend checking out an app called Plexus on Fdroid - it's an app where people report how apps work on alternative ROMs with either microG or fully degoogled. It's pretty neat.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I used e/OS on an FP4 since Google started fucking with the power button, but the Danish government apps ban anything not made by an American megacorp. Had to reinstall Google Android.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Do you use Google Play? Any (banking) apps that don't work?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    It comes with MicroG and the app lounge. Most all apps in App lounge have privacy grades and a link to the analysis that supports the grade. Just kill whatever setting sends the one call home to Google. It's something to do with the cloud. You can see the traffic by installing NextDNS and setting your DNS server to theirs. People complain about it, but some people need a phone that makes transactions and to be marketable they have to provide that option. Not sure why they don't disable the call home by default though. I'm also not sure what happens if you turn it off. I hacked MicroG out of mine entirely and just do banking at home. Banks track the fuck out of you anyways.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They have a "fair labor" agreement with China so that it is as ethically sourced as possible. People can't just get anything somewhere else. They are at least trying.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    They also set up an initiative around the fair extraction of cobalt.

    For the specs alone it is an expensive phone, but well worth it to me.
    I do somewhat miss the HD haptics from my previous Samsung.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago

    Slab phone is solved tech already and this is the time where we can vote for more ethical solutions without really losing anything. The newest fairphone is basically just a standard android flagship.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    This is exactly what we need: profound economic warfare, and lawfare against the sources exploiting us. We need to organize and support the groups that fight the forces leading to us getting exploited.

    Our problems are fundamentally human sourced, and we need to take action to stop being vulnerable to exploitation and coercion.

    All other problems CAN be resolved with time and work.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Avoiding Chinese companies is a factor for me, BUT if the choice is between a Chinese company that wouldn’t comply with a five-eyes data request vs one that would, then I would definitely prefer my data be stolen by a foreign country that doesn’t see me as a sovereign risk

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Its getting kind of silly to be afraid of China when big tech is American.... There really isnt any logical reason at this point. Just emotional, because people are afraid of China.

    The entire west is getting absolutely wrecked by American big tech so its funny to read those articles about how scary China is. I guess we prefer the devil we know, but I dont think China has anything even remotely as capable as American spy agencies and big tech.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    You should avoid both. I avoid the us tech because its on a trajectory towards what china currently implements. China has a ton of offensive security capability and they use it constantly.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Chinese company who has to comply with the CCP is a problem for me, and my work.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago* (53 children)

    the Jolla phone is the way to go

    Are there any downsides to this? There has to be, right.

    Edit: https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Are there any downsides to this? There has to be, right.

    SailfishOS userland is proprietary software. AOSP is more open than SailfishOS. The Android compatibility layer of SailfishOS is based on AOSP, so the stack to get the most important 3rd party apps working relies as much on AOSP as any Android ROM.

    Upside of SailfishOS: There is a decent chance that the upcoming Linux ARM version of Steam + Proton will run directly on that device.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    SailfishOS userland is proprietary software

    I don't see it really as a downside compared to Android, since no OEM is running clean AOSP.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don’t see it really as a downside compared to Android, since no OEM is running clean AOSP.

    This article is about Fairphone with /e/OS, not some other OEM with a proprietary Android variant.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Then you are off-topic as well.
    /e/OS is based on LineageOS. AOSP alone has very little "userland" still actively maintained.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Then you are off-topic as well.

    No. Pelespirit asked about Jolla which is mentioned in the article posts's text body. I gave context for Jolla's Android compatibility. It's 100% on topic.

    /e/OS is based on LineageOS.

    And: "The Android compatibility layer of SailfishOS is based on AOSP, so the stack to get the most important 3rd party apps working relies as much on AOSP as any Android ROM."

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (44 children)

    I mean the downsides are it's Linux. That's not without it's upsides but the downsides are huge.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (30 children)

    Would a phone have that many downsides? I would think that a computer would have much more. Maybe the phone companies don't play nice? I 100% don't know what the downsides would be.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (27 children)

    From my research, the phone part of the "phone" doesn't work very well. Which is a pretty big caveat.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I have one. It has no issues with calling, video, ect...

    It works in the states as well. And all apps too. I guess my only complaint is parts are getting hard to come by for fairphone 4. Which is why i bought the phone, to be repairable.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    That’s the main thing you’re buying it for…

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    Well, are you? I can’t remember the last conversation I had over phone.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'm with you - I'd pay extra for a phone that doesn't take calls just so I can force everyone to just send it as a text.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (12 children)

    I'm on the phone all day. Believe it or not some people are different from you 🤯

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Goes both ways, I'd be happy if more calls would simply fail midway.

    "What a shame, better write an e-mail."

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

    Goes both ways

    No one was arguing the other way...

    "What a shame, better write an e-mail."

    Ah yeah, I love writing emails back and forth for 5 days to do what could be accomplished in a 5 minute phone call.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    The future of industry is doomed with gen z being militantly unwilling to take a phone call. But I am holding onto some hope because I hear they're also spearheading the CD music revival, so I just hope they also recognise the retro-coolness of telecommunication.

    Otherwise, the art of verbal communication will die. People will meet and connect via text, only to be completely overwhelmed when they meet irl and have to talk to one another face to face. But social life is inconsequential. However, at the end of the day, if you can't talk on the phone for the purpose of business communication, your just a fucking pussy.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    We clearly have different communication partners. Most of the issues of mine are solved by them thinking about it. Writing an e-mail forces them to.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    WTF is a "communication partner"?

    Anything you email me gets lots in a sea of bullshit imploding in my inbox. Just send me a text if it's not urgent or doesn't require discussion or you just don't like me.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Anything you email me gets lots in a sea of bullshit imploding in my inbox.

    that sounds like a different, bigger issue.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Nope, it's the same issue. Your calls are not lost in my inbox.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    Where did you get that from? I have been using one for the past 6 months without any calling issues.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    It was a common complaint I came across when researching a few different Linux devices.

    I guess if you're not having issues I must be wrong, because everyone's experiences should mirror yours exactly.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    It has improved a lot through subsequent releases. It also depends on which phone it is running on. On my Xperia XA2 with licensed SailfishOS at the latest version, there are no issues with calls and SMS. It does not support VoLTE, but it is a non-issue in Europe.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It also isn't as performant for the price, or so I've heard. They're working on it, but it isn't up to par with big name companies.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    What does that mean to you? I hear people say this all the time about various devices but I haven't come across anything my phone couldn't run in over a decade. I haven't had a flagship or top tier phone in that whole time either. Are you talking about actual functionality issues or just theoretical stuff and benchmarks?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Android is technically doing just fine.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (9 children)

    I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    That it doesn't have huge downsides.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Of course it does. Google is increasingly locking down the platform. In 6 months you won't even be able to sideload software anymore without Google's permission.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    You are confusing few things here. You said that Linux (not Android) has huge downsides. I mentioned that Android does not have such huge technical issues and is technically doing just fine. Now you talk politics, not technicalities and these don't have anything to do with Linux or its downsides. My point is that Android proves that Linux on mobile does not have huge downsides, at least from technical POV. Also there is AOSP that is not affected by politics. Until Google decides to make it closed source that is.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I honestly have no idea what you're on about. I didn't say literally anything about politics.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    Google disabling sideloading is not a huge linux problem, but at is something steaming from how Google handles it. But keep going on with how linux has huge downsides...

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Google disabling sideloading is not a huge linux problem

    Why would anyone think that it was? Are you just doing the whole ignorant and annoying ACKCHUALLY "Android is Linux" thing?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I give up, linux has huge downsides but the linux os by the name android seemingly doesn't but linux has huge downsides you can't even list. OK, got it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    On the first one there were limitations on the android emulation stack. Not sure how they managed afterwards on later OS releases or how it will go with newer ones.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    I've been using a CMF Nothing with /e/OS installed by Murena for a year now and I can say it's been a breeze.

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