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They have a "fair labor" agreement with China so that it is as ethically sourced as possible. People can't just get anything somewhere else. They are at least trying.
Slab phone is solved tech already and this is the time where we can vote for more ethical solutions without really losing anything. The newest fairphone is basically just a standard android flagship.
This is exactly what we need: profound economic warfare, and lawfare against the sources exploiting us. We need to organize and support the groups that fight the forces leading to us getting exploited.
Our problems are fundamentally human sourced, and we need to take action to stop being vulnerable to exploitation and coercion.
All other problems CAN be resolved with time and work.
Avoiding Chinese companies is a factor for me, BUT if the choice is between a Chinese company that wouldn’t comply with a five-eyes data request vs one that would, then I would definitely prefer my data be stolen by a foreign country that doesn’t see me as a sovereign risk
We have come a long way, to be finally more concerned about our government spying on us than about a foreign nation.
Its getting kind of silly to be afraid of China when big tech is American.... There really isnt any logical reason at this point. Just emotional, because people are afraid of China.
The entire west is getting absolutely wrecked by American big tech so its funny to read those articles about how scary China is. I guess we prefer the devil we know, but I dont think China has anything even remotely as capable as American spy agencies and big tech.
Chinese company who has to comply with the CCP is a problem for me, and my work.
the Jolla phone is the way to go
Are there any downsides to this? There has to be, right.
Edit: https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26
Are there any downsides to this? There has to be, right.
SailfishOS userland is proprietary software. AOSP is more open than SailfishOS. The Android compatibility layer of SailfishOS is based on AOSP, so the stack to get the most important 3rd party apps working relies as much on AOSP as any Android ROM.
Upside of SailfishOS: There is a decent chance that the upcoming Linux ARM version of Steam + Proton will run directly on that device.
SailfishOS userland is proprietary software
I don't see it really as a downside compared to Android, since no OEM is running clean AOSP.
I don’t see it really as a downside compared to Android, since no OEM is running clean AOSP.
This article is about Fairphone with /e/OS, not some other OEM with a proprietary Android variant.
Then you are off-topic as well.
/e/OS is based on LineageOS. AOSP alone has very little "userland" still actively maintained.
Then you are off-topic as well.
No. Pelespirit asked about Jolla which is mentioned in the article posts's text body. I gave context for Jolla's Android compatibility. It's 100% on topic.
/e/OS is based on LineageOS.
And: "The Android compatibility layer of SailfishOS is based on AOSP, so the stack to get the most important 3rd party apps working relies as much on AOSP as any Android ROM."
I mean the downsides are it's Linux. That's not without it's upsides but the downsides are huge.
Would a phone have that many downsides? I would think that a computer would have much more. Maybe the phone companies don't play nice? I 100% don't know what the downsides would be.
From my research, the phone part of the "phone" doesn't work very well. Which is a pretty big caveat.
I have one. It has no issues with calling, video, ect...
It works in the states as well. And all apps too. I guess my only complaint is parts are getting hard to come by for fairphone 4. Which is why i bought the phone, to be repairable.
That’s the main thing you’re buying it for…
Well, are you? I can’t remember the last conversation I had over phone.
Yes. Especially with work, although not necessarily with my personal phone, it does happen.
Also, it’s a 650 Euro, £562, device….i don’t want to buy it and some parts don’t work.
I'm with you - I'd pay extra for a phone that doesn't take calls just so I can force everyone to just send it as a text.
I'm on the phone all day. Believe it or not some people are different from you 🤯
Goes both ways, I'd be happy if more calls would simply fail midway.
"What a shame, better write an e-mail."
Goes both ways
No one was arguing the other way...
"What a shame, better write an e-mail."
Ah yeah, I love writing emails back and forth for 5 days to do what could be accomplished in a 5 minute phone call.
The future of industry is doomed with gen z being militantly unwilling to take a phone call. But I am holding onto some hope because I hear they're also spearheading the CD music revival, so I just hope they also recognise the retro-coolness of telecommunication.
Otherwise, the art of verbal communication will die. People will meet and connect via text, only to be completely overwhelmed when they meet irl and have to talk to one another face to face. But social life is inconsequential. However, at the end of the day, if you can't talk on the phone for the purpose of business communication, your just a fucking pussy.
We clearly have different communication partners. Most of the issues of mine are solved by them thinking about it. Writing an e-mail forces them to.
WTF is a "communication partner"?
Anything you email me gets lots in a sea of bullshit imploding in my inbox. Just send me a text if it's not urgent or doesn't require discussion or you just don't like me.
Anything you email me gets lots in a sea of bullshit imploding in my inbox.
that sounds like a different, bigger issue.
Nope, it's the same issue. Your calls are not lost in my inbox.
Well the way you write I'm not surprised people don't like you.
Where did you get that from? I have been using one for the past 6 months without any calling issues.
It was a common complaint I came across when researching a few different Linux devices.
I guess if you're not having issues I must be wrong, because everyone's experiences should mirror yours exactly.
It has improved a lot through subsequent releases. It also depends on which phone it is running on. On my Xperia XA2 with licensed SailfishOS at the latest version, there are no issues with calls and SMS. It does not support VoLTE, but it is a non-issue in Europe.
You still did not answer my question. Pinephone has those issues with all Linux OSes, so do ports for many phones. Officially supported phones do not to my knowledge.
It also isn't as performant for the price, or so I've heard. They're working on it, but it isn't up to par with big name companies.
What does that mean to you? I hear people say this all the time about various devices but I haven't come across anything my phone couldn't run in over a decade. I haven't had a flagship or top tier phone in that whole time either. Are you talking about actual functionality issues or just theoretical stuff and benchmarks?
Like Android you mean?
What about it?
Android is technically doing just fine.
I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.
That it doesn't have huge downsides.
Of course it does. Google is increasingly locking down the platform. In 6 months you won't even be able to sideload software anymore without Google's permission.
You are confusing few things here. You said that Linux (not Android) has huge downsides. I mentioned that Android does not have such huge technical issues and is technically doing just fine. Now you talk politics, not technicalities and these don't have anything to do with Linux or its downsides. My point is that Android proves that Linux on mobile does not have huge downsides, at least from technical POV. Also there is AOSP that is not affected by politics. Until Google decides to make it closed source that is.
I honestly have no idea what you're on about. I didn't say literally anything about politics.
Google disabling sideloading is not a huge linux problem, but at is something steaming from how Google handles it. But keep going on with how linux has huge downsides...
Google disabling sideloading is not a huge linux problem
Why would anyone think that it was? Are you just doing the whole ignorant and annoying ACKCHUALLY "Android is Linux" thing?
I give up, linux has huge downsides but the linux os by the name android seemingly doesn't but linux has huge downsides you can't even list. OK, got it.
Oh Jesus. You really are. I have to say the thing again: Anyone who says "Linux" while not explicitly referring to Android or the kernel itself means GNU/Linux and your obtuse pedantry is not contributing anything to the conversation.
I think I bought one, but I'm not sure. I might have been very drunk back then.
On the first one there were limitations on the android emulation stack. Not sure how they managed afterwards on later OS releases or how it will go with newer ones.
I've been using a CMF Nothing with /e/OS installed by Murena for a year now and I can say it's been a breeze.
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