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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Are there any downsides to this? There has to be, right.

SailfishOS userland is proprietary software. AOSP is more open than SailfishOS. The Android compatibility layer of SailfishOS is based on AOSP, so the stack to get the most important 3rd party apps working relies as much on AOSP as any Android ROM.

Upside of SailfishOS: There is a decent chance that the upcoming Linux ARM version of Steam + Proton will run directly on that device.

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[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

SailfishOS userland is proprietary software

I don't see it really as a downside compared to Android, since no OEM is running clean AOSP.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

I don’t see it really as a downside compared to Android, since no OEM is running clean AOSP.

This article is about Fairphone with /e/OS, not some other OEM with a proprietary Android variant.

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[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

Then you are off-topic as well.
/e/OS is based on LineageOS. AOSP alone has very little "userland" still actively maintained.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Then you are off-topic as well.

No. Pelespirit asked about Jolla which is mentioned in the ~~article~~ posts's text body. I gave context for Jolla's Android compatibility. It's 100% on topic.

/e/OS is based on LineageOS.

And: "The Android compatibility layer of SailfishOS is based on AOSP, so the stack to get the most important 3rd party apps working relies as much on AOSP as any Android ROM."

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 26 points 8 months ago (44 children)

I mean the downsides are it's Linux. That's not without it's upsides but the downsides are huge.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago (30 children)

Would a phone have that many downsides? I would think that a computer would have much more. Maybe the phone companies don't play nice? I 100% don't know what the downsides would be.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 23 points 8 months ago (27 children)

From my research, the phone part of the "phone" doesn't work very well. Which is a pretty big caveat.

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I have one. It has no issues with calling, video, ect...

It works in the states as well. And all apps too. I guess my only complaint is parts are getting hard to come by for fairphone 4. Which is why i bought the phone, to be repairable.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 16 points 8 months ago

We were discussing Jolla, not fairphone

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 11 points 8 months ago

Oh wait sorry for some reason the interface didnt load the first comment. I dodnt see the context. Woops!

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[–] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago (18 children)

That’s the main thing you’re buying it for…

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[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 5 points 8 months ago (17 children)

Well, are you? I can’t remember the last conversation I had over phone.

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[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm with you - I'd pay extra for a phone that doesn't take calls just so I can force everyone to just send it as a text.

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[–] baronvonj@piefed.social 3 points 8 months ago

could you not just get a data-only SIM?

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago

Just delete all your phone apps and then you won't get anymore phone calls. Bing bang boom.

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[–] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 6 points 8 months ago

Yes. Especially with work, although not necessarily with my personal phone, it does happen.

Also, it’s a 650 Euro, £562, device….i don’t want to buy it and some parts don’t work.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago (12 children)

I'm on the phone all day. Believe it or not some people are different from you 🤯

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[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Goes both ways, I'd be happy if more calls would simply fail midway.

"What a shame, better write an e-mail."

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[–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

Goes both ways

No one was arguing the other way...

"What a shame, better write an e-mail."

Ah yeah, I love writing emails back and forth for 5 days to do what could be accomplished in a 5 minute phone call.

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[–] pfr@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago*

The future of industry is doomed with gen z being militantly unwilling to take a phone call. But I am holding onto some hope because I hear they're also spearheading the CD music revival, so I just hope they also recognise the retro-coolness of telecommunication.

Otherwise, the art of verbal communication will die. People will meet and connect via text, only to be completely overwhelmed when they meet irl and have to talk to one another face to face. But social life is inconsequential. However, at the end of the day, if you can't talk on the phone for the purpose of business communication, your just a fucking pussy.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 8 months ago (7 children)

WTF is a "communication partner"?

Anything you email me gets lots in a sea of bullshit imploding in my inbox. Just send me a text if it's not urgent or doesn't require discussion or you just don't like me.

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

Anything you email me gets lots in a sea of bullshit imploding in my inbox.

that sounds like a different, bigger issue.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

Nope, it's the same issue. Your calls are not lost in my inbox.

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

no. the issue is that your inbox is full of unclassified spam

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 8 months ago

Weird, my phone isn't full of unclassified spam.

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[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

Well the way you write I'm not surprised people don't like you.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

LOL because yours was so much nicer?

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago

kind of, yeah

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[–] aegg@europe.pub 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

Where did you get that from? I have been using one for the past 6 months without any calling issues.

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[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 2 points 8 months ago

It has improved a lot through subsequent releases. It also depends on which phone it is running on. On my Xperia XA2 with licensed SailfishOS at the latest version, there are no issues with calls and SMS. It does not support VoLTE, but it is a non-issue in Europe.

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[–] aegg@europe.pub 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

You still did not answer my question. Pinephone has those issues with all Linux OSes, so do ports for many phones. Officially supported phones do not to my knowledge.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago

You asked 1 question, which I very clearly did answer. I'm not sure what you're looking for here.

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[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

It also isn't as performant for the price, or so I've heard. They're working on it, but it isn't up to par with big name companies.

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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago*

What does that mean to you? I hear people say this all the time about various devices but I haven't come across anything my phone couldn't run in over a decade. I haven't had a flagship or top tier phone in that whole time either. Are you talking about actual functionality issues or just theoretical stuff and benchmarks?

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Like Android you mean?

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago (9 children)

I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago (8 children)

That it doesn't have huge downsides.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Of course it does. Google is increasingly locking down the platform. In 6 months you won't even be able to sideload software anymore without Google's permission.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago (6 children)

You are confusing few things here. You said that Linux (not Android) has huge downsides. I mentioned that Android does not have such huge technical issues and is technically doing just fine. Now you talk politics, not technicalities and these don't have anything to do with Linux or its downsides. My point is that Android proves that Linux on mobile does not have huge downsides, at least from technical POV. Also there is AOSP that is not affected by politics. Until Google decides to make it closed source that is.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I honestly have no idea what you're on about. I didn't say literally anything about politics.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Google disabling sideloading is not a huge linux problem, but at is something steaming from how Google handles it. But keep going on with how linux has huge downsides...

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Google disabling sideloading is not a huge linux problem

Why would anyone think that it was? Are you just doing the whole ignorant and annoying ACKCHUALLY "Android is Linux" thing?

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I give up, linux has huge downsides but the linux os by the name android seemingly doesn't but linux has huge downsides you can't even list. OK, got it.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Oh Jesus. You really are. I have to say the thing again: Anyone who says "Linux" while not explicitly referring to Android or the kernel itself means GNU/Linux and your obtuse pedantry is not contributing anything to the conversation.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 point 8 months ago

I'm Jesus now?

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[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 3 points 8 months ago

I think I bought one, but I'm not sure. I might have been very drunk back then.

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[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

On the first one there were limitations on the android emulation stack. Not sure how they managed afterwards on later OS releases or how it will go with newer ones.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

There will always be limitations unless massive changes occur such as Google open sourcing their Play Services as part of AOSP. MicroG has limited resources to implement compatibility.