The bottom half is a cropped section of the top, which unfortunately detracts from the very real tragedy of the far too many people pictured.
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“They shouldn’t have started it” -MAGAcucks
If anyone has seen a higher res version of this I would appreciate it.
For the record, my upvote is for visibility. I do not like this.
This American wept at this. I can’t imagine the pain.
Americans are such a passive people. Their state can commit the worst atrocities, no peep from them. If this was any EU country, heads would be flying.
EDIT: After writing this, I thought and I disagree with my own statement. People suck. All people, generally. Some are a bit more passive than others, but generally, humanity sucks, people suck. We value comfort way too much and are not up to give up 0.1% of it, even in the face of atrocities. Principled people are very rare.
So much innocence is lost unnecessarily, first the brutal crackdown mowing down Iranians during the January Riots and now this.
Both-sidesing again, I see. https://lemmy.ml/modlog?userId=2307942
Now make a list of those slaughtered, murdered, raped, molested, disfiguered, invalidated, by the regime... Ibwont hold my breath.
By regime, I thought you meant America... But nobody can hold thier breath that long
Least depraved yankee. Your countries existence makes me question gods. Why does your kind have the compulsive need to justify school shootings
I realIze that anything I can say here that isn't silply "hate the US" is likely to fall on deaf ears, or be wildly misinterpreted. Attacks on my person and assumptions on who I am, really? You know nothing about me, and so far none of the comments has been remotely close to reality.
I don't condone the killing of inocent.
I am from Iran. I grew up there. I still have family there. When I became a parent. I took my family and left for Europe. So that my child would not have to suffer under a terrorist dictatorship.
My people, the people of Iran, is celebrating. Not because we are happy about war and death. But because thrte is finally hope for a life.
We have a saying that goes something like this. "When the tears run out, you sing!"
It's an expat thing. People moving from their country usually have more negative connotations about it and are more likely fo justify their choice by joining the negative propaganda. I've seen people moving to my country praise things that they thought were great and different from their previous experience, but having lived here all my life I know it's not that simple. So, don't believe everything an expat is telling you, that's what I mean
Your response to a picture of children the US slaughtered was basically "I don't care, they deserved it"
Show us a single example of when a US intervention made life better for people. What Americans want is to destroy Iran, and they're not even hiding it https://youtu.be/ogt9g-rTa3o?t=376
If you want Iran to be turned into another Libya or Syria then you're just piece of human garbage. Scum like you enables every western atrocity.
You're willing to distract from the terror attacks on your own country by repeating the terrorists lies and slander. This is beyond depraved. Trying to relativize the death of an entire school of children is sickening and you should be ashamed.
Here is what your countrypeople think of you https://lemmy.ml/post/44100896
Don't bother arguing with the people in this community, they're completely blinded by their echo chamber. Rest assured if they had any of the same power as the far right in the US they'd be just as corrupt in totally different ways.
BUT WHATABOUT THE OCTOBER 7 MASS RAPES BY KHAMAS
Seek Canadian Healthcare, you absolute waste of life.
"I am from Iran. I grew up there."
Gee , I wonder what that regeeeeeeem!!!!! was?
LOL gusano
Will you post the ones from Ukraine as well?
in your funeral, instead of your loved ones reading your eulogy, they should bring up that other people died too and focus on them instead.
europissants when people talk about someone else:
with as few words as possible, how can I make this about me
Im comfortable in my warm bed. A neighbouring country is being bombed by an empire the OP is shilling for and deing war crimes commited. Your moral high ground has been noted tho.
I am afraid you have committed two logical fallacies. A whataboutism and an ad hominem. I am therefore declaring myself victorious in this debate and taking the last word.
I leave you with this final thought: Have you considered that two things might be bad at once? Think about it.
Ooh, ooh, I know the thing you're supposed to say here!
Ahem:
Whataboutism
That would be equally bad.
OP spent last few years denying whats going on in Ukraine.
do you deny the last 8 years of Banderite terror before "evil RuZZia attacked us poor peole unprovoked"
you're like fucking zionists who think hjistory started on oct 7
wow negationism, a good old nazi practice.
Never mind the facts or reporting on it before the western regime press suddenly had to say 'no nazis in ukraine'
most people leaving ex-ukraine actually went to Russia instead of leeching of the west.
And no, they don't need to move because the nazi thugs attacked them.
And lol at Bucha, the ridiculous BS story where the mayer is laughing a day after Russia left and 3 days later they suddenly find a massacre.
And the victims just happen to wear (pro-Russia)white armbands and had Russian food boxes.
This when the nazi Safari regiment was sent in to clear the area of 'Russian collaborators'.
So fuck you nazi revisionist.
Again it's those fascist thugs that did the warcrimes.
But you keep supporting the great EU/US side.
Unappologetically on the side of shitrael genociders and mass mrdering Iranian children.
disgusting
a none Ukrainian relative who witnessed it first hand
That makes it second hand.
If have zero confidence in his impartiality.
And I am confident of the FACTS I mentioned since they were reported by the mayor of Bucha himself and their own pictures and videos.
None of it makes sense with their fantasy story.
And why din't those oppressed ukrainians just hop over the border to Poland to be safe?
you don’t think Russian soldiers and missiles have killed hundreds of Ukrainian civilians during the invasion?
And another lie you claim I said.
Civilian deaths happen in war unfortunately.
But it's you who deny 14000!!! deaths and a complete 8 years of war on civilians before that.
It I would've been zelenski I would've kept my word and not broken the Minsk accords.
Or not have a fascist coup to begin with, that would've been much easier.
You ever been to Ukraine or Russia? Ive been crossing that border. If there was any meaningfull opression in eastern Ukraine people would run to Russia and be happy to be refugees. Eastern Ukraine was poor as fuck and western russia was a massive potemkin village, some 50-100km into Russia looked great, compared. Nearly EU level. Only when you get beyond that you get tp see the actual state of the country, and even the areas where money is pumped lools more lile american slums.
Oh, and yeah nazis from Ukraine should be dealt same way the Russian ones. Fuck banderites, amd fuck anyone who attempts to label an d stogmatise entire society by one minority group, an utterly nazi thing to do btw.
they bombed them for 8 years, a lot worse than "meaningfull opression".
All civilian targets.
And why should they run from their own country and let it be taken over by Banderites? A lot left, a lot stayed.
Same on the other side.
The economic situation is irrelevant.
As in all western propaganda ypu minimize the scope and influence of Banderites.
Nazis don't magically change their ideology because the Azov scum change their nazi logo a bit as we are made to believe.
Also they, as most visible and blatant are describesd as unique and an exception.
While there are plenty fascist batallions like Sich and Tornado.
There are plenty more outside of the military and they have infested others with their ideology when they joined other instances of society.
And here's the nr 1 challenger for Zelenski should they have elections in 'free and democratic' ukraine.



I'm not saying everyone in ex-ukraine is a fascist but minimizing and whitewashing their huge nazi problem as is done here in the west is disgusting.
but that is of course the easy way for the US and vassals of getting regime change without fighting.
Arm and fund terrorists of all kinds in countries they don't like.
Whether it's fascists or headchoppers like Jolani, etc...
Later to be rehabilitated when they take over a country and become a puppet regime.
they bombed them for 8 years, a lot worse than
Yeah, and yet theres no proof for that claim in satellite or aerial pictures. Should look like the surface of the moon after 8years. Compare to any village or city Russian offensive rolls over, theres hardly a wall standing.
And why should they run from their own country and let it be taken over by Banderites?
Thought they were Russians and part of Russia since forever? Can you settle for one version of the propaganda claims?
As in all western propaganda ypu minimize the scope and influence of Banderites.
Where are you from mate? Cuz actuall Banderites slaughtered tens of thausands of people in my country. I often travel around a region where ethnical cleasing from both sides left hundreds of villages abandonded and covered by forrests. Being antifa its rather hard not to take that into consoderation, especially when cooperating with our comrades in Ukraine. Now who the fuck are you to claim to know what is going on? Where are you active and what are your sources on information on this? What gives you the right to question the people actually dealing with this?
Yeah, and yet theres no proof for that claim in satellite or aerial pictures.
you're insane, even western biased the OSCE has detailed reports on those bombings.
Thought they were Russians and part of Russia since forever? Can you settle for one version of the propaganda claims?
you're deliberately twisting my words.
They are ethnic Russians with ukrainian nationality.
They have a right to live there which they did before the banderite scum had their coup and started attacking and discriminating them.
The rest of your statement suggests that you are from Poland.
They might have also been victim of banderites but that country is certainly in the top Russophobic countries, where I suspect your bias comes from.
Probably also why they don't give you impartial news and you clearly haven't seen the OSCE reports or other news.
Maybe if you're so familiar with the territory visit the Alley of Angels and the many places where the scum dropped petal bombs that hurt kids and other civilians.
And if you claim to be antifa you should know that there are 12 parties forbidden in ex-ukraine, mostly from the left and they arrested the union members.
But probably your 'comrades' are anarchists, always on the wrong side against what the west calls 'authoritarian governments'
Always used as gullible tools, same as with the Kurds doing the US imperialists work when they are made to fight a country the US wants to take over.
Tell me, how do you feel about the Nuland-Pyatt call where the US government decided who would be in the government after the coup?
Or is it likely this is another case of them being hypocrites?
I am Belgian and following this since before the start and the first regime chance operations with Yuchenko and that right-wing cunt Timoshenko.
I have as much right to have an opinion as you and maybe more.
I have access to every side and despite massive propaganda in my neutral opinion it is very clear who is the aggressor.
I have no reason to be biased.
You from Poland with its righ-wing government and Russophobia clearly only have one-sided news.
Which is obvious since you claim there is no proof of an 8 year bombing campaign.
That's like denying the sun.
Really buddy, inform yourself
you’re insane, even western biased the OSCE has detailed reports on those bombings.
https://cdn.osce.org/sites/default/files/f/documents/0/b/508991.pdf
Page 10 makes it sound like they were given access to only what the local FSB/GRU staff serving as local goverment wanted to show them?
your statement suggests that you are from Poland.
You never asked, but yeah Im from Poland, have a account on a Polish instance and some 10k posts in Polish so it shouldent be hard to guess.
They might have also been victim of banderites but that country is certainly in the top Russophobic countries, where I suspect your bias comes from.
Ah, so the "country" is biased, so obviously so am I? Surely im again twisting your words and you dont make asumptions about another 40 million people... Anyways wonder if the baias comes from 200 years of brutal occupation, more recent 50 years of less brutal occupation (only butchering some of the home army antinazi resistance members) or the fact that as opposed to you... We live in the region, see whats going on up close and have a right to self determination? Funny how that stuff works only when it serves your party line.
Maybe if you’re so familiar with the territory visit the Alley of Angels
What for? I worked with people whos fammielies and villages were butchered by the Russians.
and the many places where the scum dropped petal bombs that hurt kids and other civilians.
These I can visit in Ukrainian controlled territories easilly.
you should know that there are 12 parties forbidden in ex-ukraine,
You wouldent happen to support a system that used to outlaw all other parties? Also ex-ukraine is Donbas/Luhansk? How many proukrainian parties operate there without repression?
mostly from the left and they arrested the union members.
The funny thing is I work with Ukrainian unions. They face a lot of challanges from the capitalist goverment, absolutly. But cant recall them mentioning ajy actuall unionosts being imprisoned, and thats the left wing activist unions, not the mainstream yellow ones. Most of the unions in Ukraine are corrupt post-soviet mafia like structures btw in case you dont know. But I guess you meen some pro-russian ones? You at least carry a member card of any union, or is your concern pirely theorethical?
Tell me, how do you feel about the Nuland-Pyatt call where the US government decided who would be in the government after the coup?
Is western imperialist states meddling a surprise to you? It is not to me, or collectively to us, here. What seems to be a surprise to you is that Russia does the exact same. The entire region has suffered multiple imperialist wars coming from both sides. Soviets provided for the Nazis and invaded in tandem with them. Same as Kurds we know we got no friends other than the mountains. But its the real world. A more distant empire might be better then the one thst has been butchering your people for centuries and has troops on your doorstep. Realpolitics or geopolitics, call it what you want. This is broadly accepted as a fact.
I have as much right to have an opinion as you and maybe more.
Maybe more? Why would that be? Am I entitled to more oponions on Kongo the same way?
Im not denying your right to holding an opinion. Im resisting your attempt to shout down any other opinion, particularly from people who dont take their information from Russian propaganda channels but from actually, you know, living in the area and working woth refugees and activists in the war zone? I'm not asking you to blidly trust anything I say. You are telling me I cant speak my opinion bevaude you think you know better.
You from Poland with its righ-wing government and Russophobia clearly only have one-sided news.
Maybe check your western entitlement? You friend are watching the evening news for your information or something like that? Even if the RT propaganda is not officially accesible I could get access to it anytime. We just see how bullshit it is, and Ive been raised under dictatorship running its own, before this was taken over by capitalists and then a marrygoround of right wing nuts repeating putins talking points. So maybe I have more right to opinions on this, or does that only serve you?
Man you've gone mask off.
Unable to deny the facts you throw around weak whataboutisms.
Russia threw bombs too, Russia meddles too!
Continue twisting my words and doubting my objectivity.
No, I don't "happen to support a system that used to outlaw all other parties"
And sure, a Pole even working with ukros definitely is not biased.
https://internationalviewpoint.org/Russia-s-war-no-excuse-for-attacks-on-trade-unions
They conitnue their attacks on trade unions.
But I guess they are all corrupt if it fits your narrative.
And here some you "cant recall them mentioning ajy actuall unionosts being imprisoned, and thats the left wing activist unions" https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/03/07/ukrainian-security-services-arrest-young-communist-leaders/
Communists not left-wing enough?
Or are they corrupt and evil pro-russian ones because they protested the western banderite coup?
Soviets provided for the Nazis and invaded in tandem with them
Now here we have the biggest and revisionist lie exposing your nonsense.
Soviets and communists were the only enemy of nazis, fighting them was their only purpose.
Plenty morons throw around the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the idiotic horseshoe theory.
Easily debunked nonsense not worth debating, as useless as debating a flat earther.
But again, I imagine Polish learn an alternative history.
RT is censored here in the "free democratic west" together with all other news not following the lines.
Russian disinfo!!! Forbid!!!!
your attempt to shout down any other opinion,
That is also a verifiable lie.
I am shouting down your ridiculous denial of a war going on for 8 years.
And great cherrypicking from 1 OSCE report:
" as local goverment wanted to show them?"
Imagine that, the EU organization an actual supporter of these banderites finally gets limited access after they've been caught spying for their side.
THere are reports from the start
https://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/117787
showing how they sent nazi Right Sector scum against unarmed and peaceful protests against the coup.
And more nice behavior from the regime you support:
https://cdn.osce.org/sites/default/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf
THere are also OSCE reports stating 98% of violations came from banderite territory.
Can't wait for your whataboutism about the 2% the resistance did.
But no I'll let it go, you can't be helped and are too far gone.
You offer nothing factual and only make claims and assumptions based on nothing or your sides biased tales.
Bye now, keep being 'antifa' by supporting the US warmongering fascists and their vassals and proxies.
Are you asking about the Ukranians civilians killed by Russia or something else?
Ukrainian, or really all, civilians killed in the conflict instigated by Russia.
instigated by Russia
Know how I know you weren't paying attention?
Oh, you got any arguments not used by USA to justify Iran, Irak, Venezuela and soon Kuba invasions? Im really fascinated by how you belive this is any different.
Lol covering your ass ahead of time because you presumably know about the 8 years of ethnic cleansing by us-backed nazis, but think that you can both-sides it if you pretend that documented reality is the same thing as whole cloth propaganda. Truth is the difference. The US lies about bad things happening to justify aggression against a rival, and the US also does bad things and lies about them not happening to justify aggression against a rival. The common denominator here is American imperial lies, and the fools who keep swallowing them.
Here's a CNN segment from 2015, before mentioning the slaughter of eastern ukranians by their own junta government became politically inconvenient for the west:
A choice quote since I know your ass isn't going to watch it:
We are Ukranian, but they kill us. So we probably need our own country. Because these people in Kiev, they are not brothers to us.

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