At no point in my lifetime has there not been war going on in the Middle East
And every time you look closely, there's a Burgerland president somehow involved. I wonder if there's anything we could do...
At no point in my lifetime has there not been war going on in the Middle East
And every time you look closely, there's a Burgerland president somehow involved. I wonder if there's anything we could do...
It's amazing how so many people blatantly break the rules of this comm. I'd say it's most posters.
This breaks rules 2 and 3.
Rule 2 is that the shower thought must be contained in the title. The main shower thought is in the title. The extra text is an explanation of the thought.
Rule 3 is no politics, but a) everything is politics and b) the rule mentions that if one is making a potentially political post, they should avoid using political terms like “capitalism” and “communism.” I didn’t use those terms, and I didn’t explicitly state that certain actors are to blame or that they are better/worse than others. I think that satisfies the grey-area requirements of rule 3.
Fair enough. I don't agree with a lot of what you said, but I also didn't report your post because it feels like maybe it lands in a grey area and perhaps my judgment on this is biased.
As for rule 2, I think the entire point of this rule is that there isn't a "main" shower thought separate from anything else. The title is the shower thought, and that's supposed to be the entire post. It seems like people break this rule constantly, but since it's mostly harmless they're allowed to do so. I just felt the need to say something.
This idea of "everything is political" is something I vehemently disagree with, and I think people who use this are frequently being disingenuous. They want to break the rules and this argument allows them to do so, and I've seen this argument used with blatantly political posts before (I'm not saying yours is blatantly political).
But I also think that sometimes current events are inherently political, or at least they are seen that way, and it seems absurd to stop people from talking about things that are happening in our world every day. I'm torn on this one.
I think people who use this are frequently being disingenuous.
I’ll agree with you there. I think it’s more of hyperbole than rigid truth that everything is political.
Saying “why do we bake cookies and cook bacon” is an example of a shower-thought I’d say is truly non-political. But I feel like thoughts on deeper topics like philosophy or the actions of society/cultures are going to be political in some way.
Ok, so basically it was being predicted that the future was going to suck, before I was even born. So it only made sense that my parents would want to have sex and create me. Because if the world is going to suck, then I should get to experience that, right?
So boomers, I want you to take note. This world sucking right now, has nothing to do with Millenials, ok? Even your generation knew the world was headed to fascism before we were ever born. This one's on you. And also most other stuff is on you as well. I mean seriously, you ruined TMNT:Secret of the ooze! The first TMNT movie was awesome! I'm 42, and legitimately thinking of rewatching it just for the character work. It was dark. It was gritty. But kids could still enjoy it. But adults could ALSO enjoy it.
Then you smooth brained knuckleheads got together and said the turtles can't use their weapons. The tone needs to be more cartoonish. There were so many restrictions that we didn't get anywhere near the same level of quality as the first movie. Somehow what we got was Vanilla Ice rapping in a warehouse for 15 minutes? Um.....what?
Yes I'm still mad about that. I told you 34 years ago it was stupid. You told me I'd understand when I'm older. Well, I'm older, and you're still in the wrong for that one, and I'm still mad. Oh, and don't even get me started on TMNT 3. What the fuck was THAT shit??? These are YOUR policies. You did this.
Now a boomer is in the white house, bombing the middle east. I bet when we get a millenial president, it'll be the most boring president ever, and we can all stop being stressed over what new hell we'll get to experience when we wake up in the morning.
Clinton was known for getting a blowjob. Bush was known for 9/11. Obama is known for Obamacare. Trump is going to be known as a pedophile. Biden is going to be known for......uh.......history is probably going to forget Biden existed. He didn't really DO anything. Which was nice, because the previous 4 years had been hell. Then we got Biden, and all was ok. And now we're back in hell, except now it's amplified.
I like boring politics.
1984 is an anti-tyranny dystopia that has more bad readings than any other work I can think of.
The essential problem isn't new-speak, the five minute hate, constant war, one-party rule, rat-based psychotorture, or even ubiquitous surveillance. Rather, it's the abandonment of truth. It's not nearly so bad if Big Brother is Watching, except that Big Brother lies.
(And Orwell wasn't even inventing the danger out of whole cloth: both the German Nazi and Russian Communist tyrannies had well trod the path of internal propaganda and historical revisionism)
((AND you don't have to squint all that hard to argure that 1984's Britian was most plausibly a pariah state that didn't actually have any power beyond its aquatic border...))
Like nearly all science fiction, 1984 wasn't so much written about its future as it was written about the past.
Nothing lasts forever. Sure, you could see this as a continuation of Western imperialism (it is), which could be seen as a continuation of Roman imperialism (more debatable), but the Mongols were at it at some point too, and the Egyptians and the Akkadians (and those more knowledgeable than me can surely provide more examples) so idk, at least the villains and the geographical regions affected change over time, lol. Will we reach some "end of history" moment, where we're all sufficiently moral and humane not to engage in forced labour, murder and pillage for the sake of comfort and profits? Maybe, maybe we'll destroy ourselves, directly or indirectly (is our planet okay or at least okay-ish?!), before that happens. 🤷
I'm sorry, I meant to be more positive with my reply but this is what came out. 🥲
Rule 2 is that the shower thought must be contained in the title. The main shower thought is in the title. The extra text is an explanation of the thought.
Rule 3 is no politics, but a) everything is politics and b) the rule mentions that if one is making a potentially political post, they should avoid using political terms like “capitalism” and “communism.” I didn’t use those terms. I also didn’t explicitly state comparisons like worse/better. So I’m pretty sure I’ve met the grey-area requirements of rule 3.
You are picking and choosing your predictions from 1984 though. The UK hasn't become airstrip one and ingsoc hasn't taken over. Newspeak is something we often bemoan when politicians speak but that's more of a critical shorthand than accusing them of actually talking in double plus ungood words. There is still a royal as the head of state and the capitalists hold the power. There is no room 101 in London (except for the TV show). We are more connected to the rest of the world and aware of the shit that's happening than in the 1940s.
Orwell may have been prescient in some areas but also wrong in others. It's a bit like Nostradamus. Add salt to both.
This wasnt meant to be “1984 was so right! Orwell is a prophet”
I just remembered that specific quote in the shower and realized it seems like it’s—the quote, not the book as a whole—already come true
1984 wasn't exactly about wars. It was about systemic oppression. If you want to see how boot on the face looks like, just watch some documentaries about North Korea
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