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[–] 43 points 8 months ago (1 child)

that chart in the article showing how Raytheon's stock price jumped up right after we learned about that girl's school was bombed is just so sickening

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    Perhaps one of the most pointless wars in recent memory.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (12 children)
  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Fuck no, some wars are entirely needed like the haitian revolution, or really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

    It's the Haitian revolution, not the Haitian war. Rising against your masters isn't waging war, and fuck the language that conflates those two things. Defending yourself from invaders isn't waging war. The invaders are the ones waging war, and thus war is pointless.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (9 children)

    If raising an army and establishing a nation to fight another army defending it's nation is not what war is then I don't know what your definition is

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    What event are you referring to?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

    So you're saying the people banding together to overthrow their oppressors is waging war? That's like saying killing someone violently raping you makes you a murderer. Its textbook victim blaming, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Revolutions don't happen in a vacuum, they happen because of systematic abuses, i.e. a war waged by those in power against the people. Oppression is the start of the war, not the revolution. The revolution is self-defense, against the warmongers.

    Defending yourself against imperialism isn't waging war either. The imperialism is the warmongering, not the defense. Again, more victim blaming bullshit.

    War is always bad. That not a condemnation of self-defense. Self-defense isn't war, its a reaction to war.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    well idk why all these people call it independence war, revolutionary war then but I don't really care about these semantics. To most people a war is a systematic, organized application of lethal violence between two or more parties over control of a piece of land and it's population. This can be for oppression or liberation. If you have a different definition than most than alright, but I'm not "victim blaming" for going by the definition most people use (including those fighting it) that's ridiculous lol.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago*

    By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Yes killing anyone is murder no matter the reason, but sometimes murder is justifiable. It's just fucking words yo, pretty fucked hill to be dieing on.

    War is bad, full fuckin stop but that doesn't mean war isnt a broad term that could be used to define alot of actions.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    A pointless war is a war with no goals. All wars has goals. This one is sbout creating a failed state for the usa to conquest easier the ressources and for israel to expand colonization

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    But it's what Americans Israel wants!

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    While piece leads with depravity of school attack, and I'd add hospitals and leadership assassination, understand the geopolitics that the US is ruled by Israel first mandate, and Israel wants only destruction. Not a surrender and peace. Just as a nuclear deal with Iran would have entitled it to an opinion on Israel actions. Cruelty and illegality is the insurance to guarantee a unified angry Iran who'se only choice is to fight back. This is 100% the plan, and all idiocy of not understanding a plan is idiocy looking at the US to promote some humanist/liberal peace outcome instead of serving Israel's demonism.

    All US allies have their political capital and media as atlanticist/zionist supremacist propagandizers. As such, they are more likely to equivocate Iran's self defense actions instead of strong condemnation of Zionist demonism, and threatening of rupturing of ties with Zionist allies to motivate a quick ceasefire. Waiting for Atlanticist/Zionist supremacist media to help sell demonism to the people of US colonies, is simply gaslighting concerns about demonic evil that will be applied to them all directly in the future.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 8 months ago (8 children)
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    while a specific demarcation line between human selfishness and demonism is fluid within personal conscience, most experts might agree that wanton mass murder and destruction for purposes of facilitating less opposition to future mass murder and destruction for wanton theft of the land of the murdered, can cross the lines of civilized human-considerate policy discussions, such that a demonic label is unanimously appropriate.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    The kinds of atrocities you describe are violent imperialist and colonial policies. The word "demonic" is dehumanizing religious language used by nutjobs, bible-thumpers and MAGAts. It is especially problematic when used to describe a jewish institution (even if that institution is a genocidal apartheid state), due to the long tradition of antisemitism in Canada (we are both users at lemmy.ca I see) and the west in general.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    Religious supremacism is used to justify the wanton murder and destruction to steal lands. Just because Zionaziism is a core tenet of some Jews, the orthodox reject the state as being agents of God/Judaism, and there are other jews who either respect the boundaries of civilization, oppose Zionism entirely, or focus on communal support. Nevermind, demonic Ashkenazi pig fuckers including themselves as semitic people to deflect from criticism of Zionaziism.

    Property rights are foundation of civilization. Religious supremacism overriding foundational civilization principles must be labelled demonism. If there is a sentimental/religious value to land, then go ahead and buy or pray for it. That is only option consistent with humanism and civilization. Otherwise, why can't I murder my neighbour and take his house while calling it God's command to me? God telling me to do it last night, is not any less valid than using latin instead of greek translations of people who told history 4000 years before their time.

    Normalizing Zionist supremacism with every lie their controlled media/politicians tell us is a core problem.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    There is a whole bunch of antisemitic and racist language in your response, and I'm not going to follow you down that rabbit hole.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The only possible imagination of anti-semitism when criticizing Zionist supremacist demonism is that you view all jews as demonic.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Not interested in antisemitic gaslighting. This conversation ends here.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Disturbing that so many could be given sunglasses that show their demonic supremacist evil rulers are lizard people, and that they would support their constitutional/charter rights to protect their supremacism because their power might give some trickle down benefits to dumbasses that support their evil.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    And bombing of a girls school is a war CRIME. There is a subtle difference.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    Iran's government needed toppling, but the ends do not justify the means. How you do something is just as important as what you're doing, and this is being done in a horrible, unjustifiable way for deeply nefarious reasons, and the fact that some sort of good may come of it (though that remains yet to be seen) does not excuse the fact that most of it is really, really bad.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Iran’s government needed toppling

    by whom?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (7 children)

    ... that's exactly what I meant. Did you... not read the rest of the comment? What did you think I meant by "the ends do not justify the means?" The means include who did it, and how. I am saying they are not justified.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I don't see who you think should do be the one to do the toppling, it's a sincere question

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    The Iranian people, ultimately. Even if they will need outside help achieving it, I believe it still needs to be led by them, it needs to be both be conducted in a way and ultimately result in something the Iranian people consent to, and it needs to be done in good faith, not transactionally, and preferably with substantial international consensus. I don't think good faith was even in the same timezone with what is happening here, and any possibility of consensus is weak and almost entirely post-hoc. I think genuine criticism is deserved for why it hasn't happened before now, and even for why this kind of intervention became necessary in the first place, and maybe this is a better state than it has previously been in, but again, those ends still do not justify the means. The means have been wrong before this, and the new means are also wrong. None of it is justified, and none of it will justify the current situation or any of the places the current situation is going. I am not going to give it a "pass" just because it might end up in a better situation.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    What actions by outisde helpers do you purpose?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I am not an Iranian person, I don't get to make proposals for them, nor do I want to. Go ask them. I won't propose a right answer. I don't know if there is one. But I can tell you with confidence that this answer is not right, and I am quite certain the Iranian people didn't ask for what they're equally certainly going to get.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    There 90 millions Iranians so no I will not ask Iranians because each one has different opinions. There are even those who like what Israel and the USA are really doing right now . I don't understand why you don't want to clarify what outside help is

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I think that's a fair take if you mean that the Iranian people lead the revolution and outside help is only permitted if it works directly under the command of the iranian people. The reason people are so on edge about this is because there is a lot of US state dept propaganda about "liberating" the country, trodding out some opposition group regardless of popularity that is willing to work with the US regime. See for example VZ and machado as the latest example.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    No, countries should not go around invading other countries to effect regime change, regardless of how evil the leadership of that country may be. Change must necessarily come from the people, not foreign interests acting first and foremost for themselves. Time and time again toppling regimes has been the justification used to engage in wanton death and destruction, all the while being a pretense for something else. Just no. It needs to fucking stop.

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    [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I think we should just get it out of the way and call it The Iran Genocide. We all know that's where this is going.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    That BAAL statue....

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Land taken and extended time period is war. Not splitting hairs here, but a few strikes to avoid discussing genocide or the Epstein files, does not a war make.

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  • [+] -9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Not a war, but they keep using that word. Journalism is dead

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    [–] 13 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    This is a long, exhausting and difficult read. The absurdity, cruelty, stupidity, and savagery illustrated within is enough to make you need to lie down.

    But there is also an inspiring clarity, repeated multiple times simply saying "This is wrong. This is murder. This isn't complicated, really, and pretending it is, is nothing more than an indulgence to protect American ego."

    I'd like to read that sentiment more often, in more places.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Killing a religious leader is an extremely bad idea. I hope that Iran will eventually launch attacks inside the U.S. and launch drones against U.S. bases in San Diego.

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    [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    Photos supposedly showing that a misfired Iranian missile caused it were debunked, although they spread widely online among Americans and Israelis desperate to believe that only the Bad Guys do things like this.

    I wholeheartedly believe that only the bad guys do things like this. America (and by extension Israel) has a storied history of being the bad guy, despite so much propaganda to the contrary.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    a must read! Very good article

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Yeah well, the media loves it, so we will keep getting breathless accounts of explosions.

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  • [+] -21 points 3 months ago

    I visited some insane asylums that made more sense than this comment section.

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    [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    This is unimaginably sick! Nothing indicates that this was just an accident. And it isn't the only place. Gaza, the Venezuelan boats,.. The depravity is just unthinkable. Yet the rich entitled sadistic creeps like rump and hogshit joke and laugh about it. I hope they have a special place in hell to suffer each and every tragedy they've inflicted on the world. The earlier they reach there, the better.

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