▲ 200 ▼ The Iran War Is Unfathomably Depraved (www.currentaffairs.org) submitted 8 months ago by theacharnian@lemmy.ca to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world 55 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] sveltecider@lemmy.ca 23 points 8 months ago (17 children) Perhaps one of the most pointless wars in recent memory. permalink fedilink source hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 10 points 8 months ago (2 children) Most the the recent pointless wars all have one thing in common. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago (1 child) Religion + authoritarianism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] regedit@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago And dat black, sticky-icky! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago* (12 children) All wars are pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago (11 children) Fuck no, some wars are entirely needed like the haitian revolution, or really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago* (10 children) It's the Haitian revolution, not the Haitian war. Rising against your masters isn't waging war, and fuck the language that conflates those two things. Defending yourself from invaders isn't waging war. The invaders are the ones waging war, and thus war is pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (9 children) If raising an army and establishing a nation to fight another army defending it's nation is not what war is then I don't know what your definition is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (8 children) What event are you referring to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children) So you're saying the people banding together to overthrow their oppressors is waging war? That's like saying killing someone violently raping you makes you a murderer. Its textbook victim blaming, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Revolutions don't happen in a vacuum, they happen because of systematic abuses, i.e. a war waged by those in power against the people. Oppression is the start of the war, not the revolution. The revolution is self-defense, against the warmongers. Defending yourself against imperialism isn't waging war either. The imperialism is the warmongering, not the defense. Again, more victim blaming bullshit. War is always bad. That not a condemnation of self-defense. Self-defense isn't war, its a reaction to war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yes killing anyone is murder no matter the reason, but sometimes murder is justifiable. It's just fucking words yo, pretty fucked hill to be dieing on. War is bad, full fuckin stop but that doesn't mean war isnt a broad term that could be used to define alot of actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* Murder is a legal term and the law doesn't even agree with you. No, killing someone violently raping you isn't murder, and fuck your rape-apoligism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) well idk why all these people call it independence war, revolutionary war then but I don't really care about these semantics. To most people a war is a systematic, organized application of lethal violence between two or more parties over control of a piece of land and it's population. This can be for oppression or liberation. If you have a different definition than most than alright, but I'm not "victim blaming" for going by the definition most people use (including those fighting it) that's ridiculous lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago A pointless war is a war with no goals. All wars has goals. This one is sbout creating a failed state for the usa to conquest easier the ressources and for israel to expand colonization permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 10 points 8 months ago (2 children) Most the the recent pointless wars all have one thing in common. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago (1 child) Religion + authoritarianism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] regedit@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago And dat black, sticky-icky! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago (1 child) Religion + authoritarianism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] regedit@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago And dat black, sticky-icky! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago And dat black, sticky-icky! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago* (12 children) All wars are pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago (11 children) Fuck no, some wars are entirely needed like the haitian revolution, or really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago* (10 children) It's the Haitian revolution, not the Haitian war. Rising against your masters isn't waging war, and fuck the language that conflates those two things. Defending yourself from invaders isn't waging war. The invaders are the ones waging war, and thus war is pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (9 children) If raising an army and establishing a nation to fight another army defending it's nation is not what war is then I don't know what your definition is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (8 children) What event are you referring to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children) So you're saying the people banding together to overthrow their oppressors is waging war? That's like saying killing someone violently raping you makes you a murderer. Its textbook victim blaming, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Revolutions don't happen in a vacuum, they happen because of systematic abuses, i.e. a war waged by those in power against the people. Oppression is the start of the war, not the revolution. The revolution is self-defense, against the warmongers. Defending yourself against imperialism isn't waging war either. The imperialism is the warmongering, not the defense. Again, more victim blaming bullshit. War is always bad. That not a condemnation of self-defense. Self-defense isn't war, its a reaction to war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yes killing anyone is murder no matter the reason, but sometimes murder is justifiable. It's just fucking words yo, pretty fucked hill to be dieing on. War is bad, full fuckin stop but that doesn't mean war isnt a broad term that could be used to define alot of actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* Murder is a legal term and the law doesn't even agree with you. No, killing someone violently raping you isn't murder, and fuck your rape-apoligism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) well idk why all these people call it independence war, revolutionary war then but I don't really care about these semantics. To most people a war is a systematic, organized application of lethal violence between two or more parties over control of a piece of land and it's population. This can be for oppression or liberation. If you have a different definition than most than alright, but I'm not "victim blaming" for going by the definition most people use (including those fighting it) that's ridiculous lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago (11 children) Fuck no, some wars are entirely needed like the haitian revolution, or really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago* (10 children) It's the Haitian revolution, not the Haitian war. Rising against your masters isn't waging war, and fuck the language that conflates those two things. Defending yourself from invaders isn't waging war. The invaders are the ones waging war, and thus war is pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (9 children) If raising an army and establishing a nation to fight another army defending it's nation is not what war is then I don't know what your definition is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (8 children) What event are you referring to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children) So you're saying the people banding together to overthrow their oppressors is waging war? That's like saying killing someone violently raping you makes you a murderer. Its textbook victim blaming, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Revolutions don't happen in a vacuum, they happen because of systematic abuses, i.e. a war waged by those in power against the people. Oppression is the start of the war, not the revolution. The revolution is self-defense, against the warmongers. Defending yourself against imperialism isn't waging war either. The imperialism is the warmongering, not the defense. Again, more victim blaming bullshit. War is always bad. That not a condemnation of self-defense. Self-defense isn't war, its a reaction to war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yes killing anyone is murder no matter the reason, but sometimes murder is justifiable. It's just fucking words yo, pretty fucked hill to be dieing on. War is bad, full fuckin stop but that doesn't mean war isnt a broad term that could be used to define alot of actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* Murder is a legal term and the law doesn't even agree with you. No, killing someone violently raping you isn't murder, and fuck your rape-apoligism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) well idk why all these people call it independence war, revolutionary war then but I don't really care about these semantics. To most people a war is a systematic, organized application of lethal violence between two or more parties over control of a piece of land and it's population. This can be for oppression or liberation. If you have a different definition than most than alright, but I'm not "victim blaming" for going by the definition most people use (including those fighting it) that's ridiculous lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago* (10 children) It's the Haitian revolution, not the Haitian war. Rising against your masters isn't waging war, and fuck the language that conflates those two things. Defending yourself from invaders isn't waging war. The invaders are the ones waging war, and thus war is pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (9 children) If raising an army and establishing a nation to fight another army defending it's nation is not what war is then I don't know what your definition is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (8 children) What event are you referring to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children) So you're saying the people banding together to overthrow their oppressors is waging war? That's like saying killing someone violently raping you makes you a murderer. Its textbook victim blaming, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Revolutions don't happen in a vacuum, they happen because of systematic abuses, i.e. a war waged by those in power against the people. Oppression is the start of the war, not the revolution. The revolution is self-defense, against the warmongers. Defending yourself against imperialism isn't waging war either. The imperialism is the warmongering, not the defense. Again, more victim blaming bullshit. War is always bad. That not a condemnation of self-defense. Self-defense isn't war, its a reaction to war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yes killing anyone is murder no matter the reason, but sometimes murder is justifiable. It's just fucking words yo, pretty fucked hill to be dieing on. War is bad, full fuckin stop but that doesn't mean war isnt a broad term that could be used to define alot of actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* Murder is a legal term and the law doesn't even agree with you. No, killing someone violently raping you isn't murder, and fuck your rape-apoligism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) well idk why all these people call it independence war, revolutionary war then but I don't really care about these semantics. To most people a war is a systematic, organized application of lethal violence between two or more parties over control of a piece of land and it's population. This can be for oppression or liberation. If you have a different definition than most than alright, but I'm not "victim blaming" for going by the definition most people use (including those fighting it) that's ridiculous lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (9 children) If raising an army and establishing a nation to fight another army defending it's nation is not what war is then I don't know what your definition is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (8 children) What event are you referring to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children) So you're saying the people banding together to overthrow their oppressors is waging war? That's like saying killing someone violently raping you makes you a murderer. Its textbook victim blaming, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Revolutions don't happen in a vacuum, they happen because of systematic abuses, i.e. a war waged by those in power against the people. Oppression is the start of the war, not the revolution. The revolution is self-defense, against the warmongers. Defending yourself against imperialism isn't waging war either. The imperialism is the warmongering, not the defense. Again, more victim blaming bullshit. War is always bad. That not a condemnation of self-defense. Self-defense isn't war, its a reaction to war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yes killing anyone is murder no matter the reason, but sometimes murder is justifiable. It's just fucking words yo, pretty fucked hill to be dieing on. War is bad, full fuckin stop but that doesn't mean war isnt a broad term that could be used to define alot of actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* Murder is a legal term and the law doesn't even agree with you. No, killing someone violently raping you isn't murder, and fuck your rape-apoligism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) well idk why all these people call it independence war, revolutionary war then but I don't really care about these semantics. To most people a war is a systematic, organized application of lethal violence between two or more parties over control of a piece of land and it's population. This can be for oppression or liberation. If you have a different definition than most than alright, but I'm not "victim blaming" for going by the definition most people use (including those fighting it) that's ridiculous lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (8 children) What event are you referring to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children) So you're saying the people banding together to overthrow their oppressors is waging war? That's like saying killing someone violently raping you makes you a murderer. Its textbook victim blaming, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Revolutions don't happen in a vacuum, they happen because of systematic abuses, i.e. a war waged by those in power against the people. Oppression is the start of the war, not the revolution. The revolution is self-defense, against the warmongers. Defending yourself against imperialism isn't waging war either. The imperialism is the warmongering, not the defense. Again, more victim blaming bullshit. War is always bad. That not a condemnation of self-defense. Self-defense isn't war, its a reaction to war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yes killing anyone is murder no matter the reason, but sometimes murder is justifiable. It's just fucking words yo, pretty fucked hill to be dieing on. War is bad, full fuckin stop but that doesn't mean war isnt a broad term that could be used to define alot of actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* Murder is a legal term and the law doesn't even agree with you. No, killing someone violently raping you isn't murder, and fuck your rape-apoligism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) well idk why all these people call it independence war, revolutionary war then but I don't really care about these semantics. To most people a war is a systematic, organized application of lethal violence between two or more parties over control of a piece of land and it's population. This can be for oppression or liberation. If you have a different definition than most than alright, but I'm not "victim blaming" for going by the definition most people use (including those fighting it) that's ridiculous lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children) So you're saying the people banding together to overthrow their oppressors is waging war? That's like saying killing someone violently raping you makes you a murderer. Its textbook victim blaming, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Revolutions don't happen in a vacuum, they happen because of systematic abuses, i.e. a war waged by those in power against the people. Oppression is the start of the war, not the revolution. The revolution is self-defense, against the warmongers. Defending yourself against imperialism isn't waging war either. The imperialism is the warmongering, not the defense. Again, more victim blaming bullshit. War is always bad. That not a condemnation of self-defense. Self-defense isn't war, its a reaction to war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yes killing anyone is murder no matter the reason, but sometimes murder is justifiable. It's just fucking words yo, pretty fucked hill to be dieing on. War is bad, full fuckin stop but that doesn't mean war isnt a broad term that could be used to define alot of actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* Murder is a legal term and the law doesn't even agree with you. No, killing someone violently raping you isn't murder, and fuck your rape-apoligism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) well idk why all these people call it independence war, revolutionary war then but I don't really care about these semantics. To most people a war is a systematic, organized application of lethal violence between two or more parties over control of a piece of land and it's population. This can be for oppression or liberation. If you have a different definition than most than alright, but I'm not "victim blaming" for going by the definition most people use (including those fighting it) that's ridiculous lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children) So you're saying the people banding together to overthrow their oppressors is waging war? That's like saying killing someone violently raping you makes you a murderer. Its textbook victim blaming, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Revolutions don't happen in a vacuum, they happen because of systematic abuses, i.e. a war waged by those in power against the people. Oppression is the start of the war, not the revolution. The revolution is self-defense, against the warmongers. Defending yourself against imperialism isn't waging war either. The imperialism is the warmongering, not the defense. Again, more victim blaming bullshit. War is always bad. That not a condemnation of self-defense. Self-defense isn't war, its a reaction to war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yes killing anyone is murder no matter the reason, but sometimes murder is justifiable. It's just fucking words yo, pretty fucked hill to be dieing on. War is bad, full fuckin stop but that doesn't mean war isnt a broad term that could be used to define alot of actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* Murder is a legal term and the law doesn't even agree with you. No, killing someone violently raping you isn't murder, and fuck your rape-apoligism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) well idk why all these people call it independence war, revolutionary war then but I don't really care about these semantics. To most people a war is a systematic, organized application of lethal violence between two or more parties over control of a piece of land and it's population. This can be for oppression or liberation. If you have a different definition than most than alright, but I'm not "victim blaming" for going by the definition most people use (including those fighting it) that's ridiculous lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yes killing anyone is murder no matter the reason, but sometimes murder is justifiable. It's just fucking words yo, pretty fucked hill to be dieing on. War is bad, full fuckin stop but that doesn't mean war isnt a broad term that could be used to define alot of actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* Murder is a legal term and the law doesn't even agree with you. No, killing someone violently raping you isn't murder, and fuck your rape-apoligism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* Murder is a legal term and the law doesn't even agree with you. No, killing someone violently raping you isn't murder, and fuck your rape-apoligism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) well idk why all these people call it independence war, revolutionary war then but I don't really care about these semantics. To most people a war is a systematic, organized application of lethal violence between two or more parties over control of a piece of land and it's population. This can be for oppression or liberation. If you have a different definition than most than alright, but I'm not "victim blaming" for going by the definition most people use (including those fighting it) that's ridiculous lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) Yes, you are victim blaming by suggesting people defending themselves are to blame for war. How is that not victim blaming? Its fucking textbook. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm trying to understand how they are blaming anyone? Please explain what exactly he said that you consider victim blaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* By repeatedly asserting that the people defending themselves in war are just as responsible for the war as the people attacking them, therefore war isn't pointless. That's a ludricrous stance and puts blame on the victims for the war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago A pointless war is a war with no goals. All wars has goals. This one is sbout creating a failed state for the usa to conquest easier the ressources and for israel to expand colonization permalink fedilink source parent