Olivier De Schutter says new economic agenda needed to tackle crises of rising inequality and ecological collapse

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[–] 20 points 8 months ago

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone.

It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.

It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.

We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.

We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road. the world has been taking.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That doesn't take an expert.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    This has been known for a long time, but nothing's gonna change until they've totally wrecked everything of value. It's the "if I can't have it, nobody can" power trip.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Olivier De Schutter needs to read more theory.

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    [–] 47 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    This sound like a dream. Too good to be true. :(

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Organize! This does not need to be a dream or a utopia. Systems fall, changes are always possible. Only, the ultra rich with their frivolous desires won‘t give up their privileges and power because we ask nicely.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Systems are actually falling right now. It's going to be chaotic and difficult, but there is also opportunity. Destruction is an opportunity for creation. We need to work together and focus on how we can create something better.

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  • [–] 40 points 8 months ago

    They will destroy the entire planet before they allow their aristocracy to be toppled

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Get money out of politics and hold politicians to a higher standard.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago

    Yeah shit like that is why the ultra rich have committed to destroying international organizations like the UN

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    OK, you're right, in a purely ethical world.

    But why would the economy change its behavior on a broad scale? What practical incentives would you use to adjust it?

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The French used a convincing method back in the day.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Punitive measures might feel emotionally satisfying in the moment, but what they actually incentivize is hiding the corruption and exploitation better (avoiding getting caught, rather than avoiding the bad activity in the first place). Also, while an angry mob might have a taste for violence and actually perform it for a little while, it doesn't last and it's not a basis for a stable government or economy.

    If you want long-term stability you have to organize a system so that it incentivizes the behaviors that you want, even more than it disincentivizes the behaviors that you don't want.

    I'm not sure what that looks like in this context, in a practical sense. But ultimately the problem is that everything in our society rewards the hoarding of wealth. This is not just a problem with capitalism - every communist or supposedly socialist society ever established also rewarded hoarding of wealth.

    For things to be different, actually different, a different value system with a fundamentally different reward structure needs to be established, and it needs to be competitive long-term with the current system in order to exist alongside it and/or eventually replace it.

    Like I said I don't really know what that looks like in practice. The only example I can think of is the "gift economy" described in Kim Stanley Robinson's Green Mars, in which the participants in every exchange always seek to give more than they get (essentially the reverse of normal behavior).

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    The practical incentives are there already, but far too many people are too greedy and shortsighted to recognize them. There are long term negative consequences to prioritizing short term individual gains over long term, sustainable prosperity for all. And achieving that sustainable prosperity does not require people to replace self interest with altruism, it requires that people to adopt a more enlightened, forward looking self interest. It's getting people to understand that overindulgence and a zero sum mentality today, without thought for the consequences tomorrow is not self interest, it's self destruction.

    If that can't work then civilization is fucked.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Maybe if our system didn’t allow mere individuals to collect a net worth equivalent to small countries…? Hate the game, not the players. Billionaires should not even exist in the first place.

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  • [–] 50 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I can, and will, hate both the game and the players.

    The players at the top know exactly what they're doing.

    If me, a fucking nobody who reads while taking a shit, in between working all the time to pay the bills can understand what's going on. There's no way the richest in society, with the most leisure time and access to the world's greatest educators etc, don't.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Don’t get me wrong, billionaires are definitely sociopaths. But our society, instead of giving them the treatment they deserve (institutionalisation and a therapy to develop empathy would be a good start) rewards them instead with power and influence.

    I see many people cluelessly asking why it seems like billionaires are all sociopaths. That’s because society rewards it and selects for it, and that’s what we need to change first and foremost.

    To borrow an image from the Scorpion and the Frog, if you’re a frog and you’re taking scorpions on your back, it’s nonsensical to hate the scorpions for stinging you, that’s in their nature. Instead, we should focus on not taking scorpions on our back, that is, not putting sociopaths in positions of power and authority.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    The percentage of sociopaths involved with defining a society should never be greater than zero.

    Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

    Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    They're finally starting to get it...

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    What if we sacrificed all the rich people to appease the god of CO2?

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, we can't. The ultra rich make all the rules. They aren't going to reform themselves.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    But it won't

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Says some egghead, and any normal sane person on the ground-level.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Perhaps I should first ask why you spread such absurd nonsense and where you got it from?

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    [–] 20 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    treat them how you would treat anyone else... tax the fuck out of them, no backroom deals, if they don't comply or break the law detain them and publically humiliate them and bring them to jail until such time that they either post bail, or their trial.

    trials for anyone with net worth of 2m+ is done by citizens of the country and a judge oversees... we dictate their future... not their paid judges.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Instead of a maximum amount, a minimum amount would be more appealing, as I'd rather see fewer poor than fewer billionaires. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer to see neither, but the former seems more important.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago
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    yeah but like these people are kinda the economy, no? WE JUST CANT ALLOW THEM TO GET THAT RICH IN THE FIRST PLACE

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Hear hear! The rich elites are doing just fine, let's worry about the rest of us for once. So their billio s will grow a little slower. A billion dollars is more money than one person can spend on a lifetime anyways, and these fuckers have trillions. Time to wall them off on their little island. Yay, you won democracy! Now fuck off and let the rest of us get down to fixing the mess they've left behind.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Narrator: It didn’t.

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    [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I think he'll find the 'ultra rich' don't care. They're too busy building their bunkers and think they'll be able to wait it out until the proles have bred enough for their exploitation to restart.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    You don't say? What changed so suddenly?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Oh yay the UN EXPERT has spoken. Problem solved.

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