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[–] 145 points 8 months ago (8 children)

US didnt think or care about our own people when "planning" this? Shocking.

I do hope they find a way out...

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I would assume it's part of the plan.

    Getting Americans killed can be turned into maga propaganda quite easily. It's not like the cult members are going to blame Trump.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The impression I've been getting is that there wasn't any time to make a plan anyway. I mean, even if there had been time, I doubt this group of geniuses would have been able to put together anything coherent , but it seems to me as though US negotiators were getting close to a good peace deal, Israel got wind of it, decided to literally bomb it, and this admin is too fascist and spineless to refuse to follow Israel into a war of aggression.

    So, yeah, not that there would have been a good plan anyway, but I think this was almost as much of a surprise to the admin as it was to the rest of us.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    To be fair, Israel fired the first shots when they learned about a gathering of high profile diplomats who could all be murdered together. They did the schoolgirls at the same time just because that’s how Israelis roll.

    It seems like the US didn’t anticipate things popping off at this somewhat earlier than expected juncture. But also, that US leadership doesn’t really give a shit how many American lives are lost fighting Israel’s wars for them, so there’s that too.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    They probably thought there's only one guy that can order the retaliation and killing him will end the conflict and… Yea, no, they thought they were playing CoD. Who cares when NPCs dies anyway?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    They did. They just don't care.

    Remember Benghazi?

    While there were some light moments about the former secretary of state’s sleeping habits and legal fees, much of the day was dedicated to examining the circumstances surrounding the attacks on the American compound in Libya, her email practices and, of course, the real intentions of the investigation.

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  • [–] 81 points 8 months ago (20 children)

    Maybe I'm showing my ignorance here, but isn't that like one of their major responsibilities?

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  • [–] 60 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    US Embassies exist to protect the *people of the US in foreign settings.

    *people as defined by Citizens United v. FEC (2010)

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  • [–] 59 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I lived in Saudi Arabia pre 9-11, and when Sadaam was getting Scudsy, they had people come from the embassy that gave my parents a card with instructions on what to do if there was a war. Part of that was a phone number where they could call anywhere in the country, and if you couldn't follow the instructions they'd send someone to collect you.

    Man this is fucking pathetic seeing our government this fucking incompetent.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    If competent people in so many departments got purged, can we still call this incompetent? I think it's about time we move over to malice.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Malice would be if they could do the jobs but refused. Incompetence stems from malicious removals, but it is incompetence because the people working are, in fact, incapable of doing the job.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    State department can't always evacuate everyone. Can't spend the big bucks doing an extraction on every American because one building got hit. When the region was getting hot in 2021, state department had like five five-seater jump planes in the area to do everything.

    Now you've got hundreds of people getting squirrelly and demanding a flight now when the airspace is not looking great.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    There's other ways to evac people than just planes. I was just a kid when my story above happened. But my dad asked that very thing 'is it safe to fly if there's scuds in the air?' and they said that had multiple ways to get people to safety.

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  • [+] [S] 20 points 8 months ago* (9 children)
  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    Ransoming countrymen of the represented country is literally one of the oldest diplomatic functions on earth and is a big part of why embassies were established in the first place.

    Your own source literally defines the term "diplomatic mission" as:

    The basic role of a diplomatic mission is to represent and safeguard the interests of the home country and its citizens in the host country

    So no, looking after the citizens of the represented country is NOT "secondary to the diplomatic mission" it IS the diplomatic mission.

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  • [+] [S] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Shame that's not what you said when I replied to you and then repeated several times in the course of this discussion.

    Their main purpose, though, is to represent the state for relations and dealings with the host, citizen services are secondary to this.

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  • [+] [S] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Except that for Americans specifically, relying on the embassy for support and evacuation when a regional crisis arises has been a safe bet for nearly 100 years.

    Certainly in the post-WWII era, if you followed the advice of the state department on not traveling to really dangerous places, and didn’t do something to get yourself into trouble (like getting involved in crimes), the US would use considerable resources to ensure an American citizen’s safe passage home. In fact, the hostility to Iran has some basis in the fact that Iran took over the American embassy during the revolution in 1978 and held the personnel hostage, a pretty blatant rejection of standard diplomatic norms. From a legal standpoint that was effectively an invasion of the US because an embassy is sovereign territory.

    So regardless of your wording, this represents a pretty basic shift away from previous norms, especially given that the crisis people are fleeing is entirely a creation of the US government.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    US embassies in Jerusalem and Qatar issued statements on Tuesday saying they could not help Americans leave the Middle East.

    CORRECTION: US embassies in Jerusalem and Qatar issues statements on Tuesday saying they have CHOSEN NOT TO HELP Americans leave the Middle East.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago

    Can't Won't

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Trapped Americans getting whoopsie-killed as shit all over the place gets blown up? That sounds like a great justification for throwing more money and lives at attacking the Epstein Files-- I mean, Iran.

    Honestly I would be more surprised if it were simply a gutted and incompetent goverment, rather than intentional.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Them files gotta be a whole lot fucking worse than we think given the lengths they're going to distract people.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Look at the years that were witheld...

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Do you happen to know the source for that infographic? I'd like to look deeper myself: 1999-2001 have Trump written all over them, even if only by inference, given the admitted dates of their "friendship" (if it ever ended at all).

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Yeah I've deliberately put off fact checking and repeating that to be quite honest. The murmurs of the Internet were finally starting to unify against the rich. And to shut us up a possible runaway war was started. Everything is truly fucked.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    They're too busy helping israel, soz.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    No one is left behind 🤡

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    This regime probably thinks you don't deserve help if you chose to leave the Untied States

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They adminstration that left people in Afghanistan dealing of the worst withdrawal of all time, happy to support a genocide, launching an illegal war, killing and imprisoning its own citizens and run by a pedo rapist will never care about anyone.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    😆😅🤣!!!

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    They can't even be bothered to take care of Americans at home. Why would they waste resources on anyone living abroad?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Could not or would not

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    What were they doing in a war zone?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It wasn't a war zone until we attacked Iran…

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Not a student of history, are we?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Okay, rephrasing it then "What are Americans doing in near proximity to a place that has been a war zone for more than 20 years due to US intervention in the region?" and the answer is "Either profiting off of US oil interests or propping up the tourism industry of US interested parties."

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Do you think every place in the Middle East is at war? Dude, that's like saying every place in Africa is in poverty and starving. It's a big place.

    And what about all the tourists propping up the US with tourism dollars, supporting a warmonger country? If you want to play Silly Buggers about the whole thing…

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    If you voted for the bumbling pedo criminal and have front row seats for his piss poor planned shitshow, zero sympathy. I hope the water treatment plants fail during your visit.

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    [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    Our government doesn't care about us beyond what we can do to make the rich richer. If we're not engaged in that effort 18 hours per day, then we should just fuck off and die, as far as they care.

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    [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    As a MAGA with Family trapped and Probably going to DIE because of this I FULLY Support Trump for a Third Term because ONLY Trump can Fix what TRUMP BIDEN caused! I'm a FREE THINKER!

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