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[–] [S] 205 points 8 months ago (14 children)

110 billion more pumped into a company with no sustainable business model in sight 🫧

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  • [–] 53 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    $110b pumped into a company that's literally never made a cent.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    OpenAI has made revenue.

    It hasn't made profit.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    "πŸ€“β˜οΈ" everyone knows what they mean

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    OpenAI literally makes billions of dollars.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Yes they do, but when someone says "thats never made a cent" they dont mean revenue, they mean profit and everyone can understand that they mean profit so there's no need to point put that revenue β‰  profit.

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  • [–] 91 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    We are grateful for the support from our partners and have a lot of work to do to bring you the tools you deserve.

    What about the ram and storage I deserve?

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly. Nobody asked for AI.

    What we ask for is cheap storage and RAM.

    They are taking away something we want, and replacing it with something we don't want.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    What we ask for is cheap storage and RAM.

    eh, I look at as: we already paid for cheap storage and ram, but the AI buildouts are gobbling those markets up instead of creating their own supply chains.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    The people that didn't have a chance to buy cheap storage and RAM yet didn't pay for it, did they? Not everyone bought components before the shortage. I bought a whole beast PC, so I was lucky, but not everyone had such timing.

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  • [–] 57 points 8 months ago

    The merry go round of fake capital continues.

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  • [–] 49 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    the tools you deserve

    What did we do wrong to deserve this?

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    The tools we deserve/need are cheap. A few pieces of wood and an angled blade.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Honestly we can get the same effect with one large ax and a stump.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I dunno... that requires some training to operate, and it's REALLY horrid when you miss...

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago

    I profoundly hate this timeline

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago

    So anyway, I pumped one of the biggest bubbles in history again

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  • [–] 41 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    This is absolutely insane to me. AI is destroying society.

    Now is the time to stand by your principles. And if you don't have principles, maybe raise some. Become anti-consumption and remove yourself from capitalism, as much as possible. Hate those people. You should hate them as much as possible.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It sucks too, because the power for pattern recognition and identification behind Machine Learning is incredible, and if we were being more responsible with it, we could be using it only for truly valuable purposes like early cancer detection, assistant tools, proofreading etc, instead of training it to plagiarise other people's work and kill people somewhere.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    100% agree. What alpha fold did, which had to do with protein folding, was awesome. But ya, then comes capitalism and the idiocy and comfort-seeking of society and everything is ruined for everyone..

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Nvidia buying more of their own GPUs. Definitely not a bubble, just kind of circle shaped

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    just the three biggest companies sinking $110 billion into a company that's never made a profit what bubble

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    NVidia, AWS, and SoftBank are all involved in data center construction. Wonder how much of the $110B are essentially 'store credits' that just cycle back to them?

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  • This. Softbank are probably the only ones providing actual cash of $30bn to pay employees.

    "AWS to provide OpenAI with Amazon EC2 UltraServers, featuring hundreds of thousands of chips, and the ability to scale to tens of millions of CPUs for its advanced generative AI workloads"

    Nivida's investment is measured in GW so that tells you all you need to know.

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  • [+] 25 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Sam Altman is a money launderer. he's just holding the money so everyone else can say they don't have money

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I'm not sure this is money laundering (that would imply there's a bunch of dirty money to get clean). But it is a scheme for sure.

    Most of that cash is going to be spent, either directly or indirectly, on hardware from nVidia and now I bet they're going to use a bunch of cloud services from Amazon too.

    Just inflating stock prices all round because for its investment in OpenAI, nVidia probably gets to own part of OpenAI + also one of the biggest end customers for their data center GPUs has more money to either build data centers or rent from existing providers.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Yeah seriously, $Billions and $Trillions are too common in the media to have the impact they should have.

    This one headline is discussing an investment of $110,000 MILLION Dollars. That's enough to let an entire football stadium (either US version or everybody else version) of people retire tomorrow.

    40 years of 100,000 people working $15 an hour would just barely make that much. Before taxes. And unpaid sick time. Of course. Sorry to be US-centric but we seem to be leading the way in this whole Road To Dystopia thing.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Can someone that lies better than me start-up a fake AI Company that's real purpose is to take all the memory and chips they have access to and sell them at a loss to normal people? Not only would the prices come down , but we'd be actively screwing over all these giant companies that invested.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    For that matter, how much does it cost to start a RAM manufacturer?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Ballpark $100,000,000,000 and five years per factory.

    Modern semiconductors are very complicated to produce.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    A hundred billion? I don't actually know, but that seems too high. I've worked as an automation engineer in a bunch of factories and know that you can get a fairly complex fairly large factory for 9 figures. I know semiconductors are complicated but so are a lot of things. I'd guess it's closer to a billion depending on scale/size/location.

    5 years to start up a factory is fast, but doable.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    This came from looking up how much people are currently spending to build a ram fab. It's worth remembering that the tools used are very complex and are also impacted by the massive spike in semiconductor prices.

    https://www.blackridgeresearch.com/project-profiles/tsmc-arizona-fab-united-states-us-details-cost-expansion-latest-update

    https://www.eteknix.com/micron-begins-construction-of-its-massive-ram-factory-in-new-york-to-help-prevent-shortages-by-2030/

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/intel-delays-usd100-billion-ohio-site-to-next-decade-first-fab-now-coming-online-in-2030

    They're quite literally making some of the most complicated and intricate things on the planet.
    The vast majority of the cost is tools, and when the price of those spikes due to shortage the cost goes up insanely fast.

    Cost estimates from even a just a few years ago have the cost being $10 to $20 billion.

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  • [+] 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I'm an idiot, that goes without saying, but I think that if anything needs another round of investment AND that extra investment is 110 billion of any decently used currency then maybe, just maybe, something is fundamentally wrong with the product in the first place.
    However, like I said, I'm an idiot so what do I know.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Their current business model depends on keeping the AI hype going on, so from their perspective it is a good investment.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Hype amongst the public seems to be waning. Look at the woman who recently took over Xbox assuring people it wouldn't get filled with AI slop. They're starting to realise people don't want the shit they're selling. But it's not like the markets have any correlation with reality.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Wait, you read a CEO statement and believed her? Watch as everything she said turns out to be false. This is an old corporate tactic, put women in power positions just to push them under a bus. Her job is to kill Xbox and take the fall. Microsoft doesn't want a gaming division anymore. This is why all they do is shutdown studios. They only got in because they feared Sony consoles would compete as cheap computers on the corporate market. It was never meant to go this far.

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  • Even micro SD cards have got crazy expensive.

    I think some CEOs are starting to slowly realise how unpopular AI is with the public. But at this point their sink costs are astronomical.

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  • [–] 59 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    It's easy. You buy a set of ram on Amazon and put your old sticks in the box when you return it.

    I upgraded half the parts in my computer this way over a year ago. We really need to promote stealing from large corporations. It's silly how many people are still following the rules of society when they aren't.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Until they decide to sell it again and the next customer gets what you returned instead of what they ordered

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Over a year later. Falls under petty theft which has a statute of limitations of a year in my state. I'm not losing sleep over it.

    And this is all theoretical for internet points. I'd never actually do something like that. Never never never. Not even once.

    I also don't weight every fruit and vegetable at self checkout as a potato (lowest cost per weight item usually). I'd never ever do that.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    A lot of people won't have a computer/phone to make use of AI because of this 🀣

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago*

    That's the goal, once you can't outright afford the hardware what do you think happens?

    Subscriptions of course, much like the phone "contracts" of today, now you can rent a PC, or better yet subscribe to a cloud instance of a PC.

    You'd still need to subscribe to the LLM of course, but that'd be easier if it was bundled with your cloud computer subscription.

    Then comes the software bundles, because they can't just have you installing whatever you want on their cloud machines, that's leaving money on the table.

    Eventually with the next generation, or the one after that it will become normalised, just another thing you can't own because fuck you, that's why.

    FML: i scroll down maybe 10 posts and this : https://programming.dev/post/46457240

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    We could build hundreds of thousands of homes for families that need them, but it goes to stealing water, power, and land instead.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don't understand, ChatGPT isn't even a well performing AI. It's a household name, sure, but it's quality sucks.

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    [–] 14 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    And how much of that 110 billion is real money and also isn't just rotating money that OpenAI sent to them?

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Its not 110 billion up front. Its setup to hit 110 billion in several stages if they hit certain metrics like AGI or going public.

    The first stage is something like 35 billion based on reports. 15 billion from Amazon, then 10 billion each from Nvidia and Softbank. Looks like Microsoft sat this round out since they arent name checked:

    All of this adds a little more anxiety to OpenAI's alleged $100 billion funding round which, as The Information reports, Amazon's alleged $50 billion investment will actually be $15 billion, with the next $35 billion contingent on AGI or an IPO:

    Under the terms of the investment, which are still being negotiated,Β Amazon would initially invest $15 billionΒ into OpenAI, these people said. The other $35 billion could hinge on OpenAI reaching AGI or going public, the people said. The proposed Amazon investment is part of OpenAI’s current funding round, which could top $100 billion at a valuation ofΒ $730 billion before the financing.

    And that $30 billion from NVIDIA is shaping up to be a Klarna-esque three-installment payment plan:

    In addition, SoftBank and Nvidia each plan to invest $30 billion in three installments through the year as part of the round, said the people. Microsoft had been expected to invest low billions of dollars,Β The Information previously reported, but it could invest a smaller amount or none at all, according to two of the people.

    Still a fuckton, but as usual Altman is hyping something that hasent actually happened.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I wish I could attach a generator to this circular flow... unlimited powaaaah

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Last October I built a new PC for the first time in a solid decade. My aging Intel 6700k has served me well. I had no idea of the missile barrage that I dodged by upgrading when I did.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    of course his PROFILE picture is ai GENERATED. i cringe at that cartoonish look that my older bro does with pictures.

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    [–] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Hopefully he’ll die painfully ☺️

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