I was sent this map without a source but I thought it was impressive nonetheless. It shows the SeaWorld parking lot in yellow. The green dot is where Orcas spend their lives.

edit: This is Seaworld San Diego, California

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[–] 224 points 8 months ago (4 children)

To be fair, if you put the Orcas in the parking lot they'd die

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  • [–] 41 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Jesus. The SeaWorld parks in San Antonio and Orlando have a much better parking lot to park area ratio (though still fuck em for the animal abuse)

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The yellow line in the meme is selecting quite a bit of area that isn't SeaWorld parking, and it's quite old too. On right it's selecting some park area and the lot for a boat launch. On the left there is admin buildings and a Marina + parking for that. Check the satellite view.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Not that it matters too much to the point they are trying to make, but they didn't highlight the entire orca area either. So an over representation for the parking lot and under for the actual exhibit surface area.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    That's still insane. This is Hagenbeck zoo in Hamburg. The green area is a parking garage and a small parking lot dedicated to the zoo. Everyone else just comes with the subway.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Here's something I don't understand about these county-devouring parking lots: why are they all one level? Is it more than twice as expensive to build and maintain even a two-level parking structure and save half the footprint?

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    ROI on even a 2 story parking lot is a lot longer than the one and much more expensive than double the price.

    Paving is cheap, easy and other than drainage design is pretty straightforward. Put in drainage, grade land, put down bedding material for the asphalt, put down asphalt and curbing, paint line install signs.

    A multi-story garage needs a ton of engineering, concrete and rebar and is custom to each location. Because you have a lot of weight in these structures

    If you look at amusement parks that have parking garages most of them are land locked or purchasing new land for parking is so expensive it's cheaper to build a garage

    (Please note I'm am a layman about construction, there is probably a construction person or engineer that can explain it better just a theme park fan that likes reading about how the engineer rides and have occasional tumbled over into parking engineering which is a fascinating topic of how much engineering goes into it)

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I used to work as a drafter at a precast concrete company. We mostly built parking garages.

    You're basically correct, paving for a parking lot is cheaper than building a multi story parking garage. A three level parking garage could cost about $20,000,000. And you still have to do the paving on the ground level. The parking garage needs engineering from licensed P.E.'s, hundreds and hundreds of yards of concrete, tons of rebar bent just so and placed just so, thousands of feet of high-strength steel cable, multiple trucks running from our plant to the site over and over to move the parts, then welders, crane operators, grouters, cleanup crew, finishers....

    As opposed to just packing the dirt down, pushing some gravel over it, a bit of rebar and an on-site concrete pour.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    It is more expensive to build multilevel parking but its how the laws work. It might even be that the law required this much parking based on statistical models, which is insane if people are getting there some other way.

    Imo we could reduce the size of parking lots by just requiring nearby businesses to allow unrestricted parking during their off hours.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Yes, a lot of the time it is, depending on land acquisition cost. Plus you then have some amount of additional ongoing maintenance cost for the structure which is also more than just that of a surface lot.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Cars constantly emit toxic fumes whenever they're running. If you try to enclose a parking lot you need some extremely expensive and power-intensive ventilation. Maybe that'll change as electric cars become more common.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    There's also no good bus route to sea world

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Are you kidding? The parking fee is an astronomical part of entry fees.

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  • [–] 57 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    It's awful how they keep them in captivity.

    For anyone who hasn't seen it, I recommend watching the Blackfish documentary.

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I have strong feelings about the animals in the Sea World exhibits, particularly the Orcas and Dolphins. However, I contracted for Sea World Orlando for 5 years as an entertainer and often had to be "back-stage" or "back-area." I watched Blackfish and it did NOT represent the experience that I, or any other team member I worked/talked with had. It felt very sensationalist and not grounded in reality (or at least, the reality I witnessed for 5 years). If you watch it, I'd just approach it with some scrutiny, because it really didn't come off as a "documentary" to me.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Blackfish is the animal version of Supersize Me. While it genuinely does a good job showing the conditions and plausibility of the topic, it does it at such a sensationalized and over complicated fashion it takes everything away from the message.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago

    Its actually worse than you think. The city of san diego owns sea world's parking lot because of the original contract. The city sets the base price, and then the corp effectively doubles it cuz ofc they do. That's also why the parking lot is allowed to be so large but the park itself never expands. The city will pretty much always let sea world lease the land for cheap knowing they ultimately get to fix what their guaranteed returns would be. Corporate greed is extremely strong with combined with local government.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    I refuse to ever visit a Seaworld/life/wtf because of this... it's insulting.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    Just another little reminder that if there is a God somewhere out there, they're certainly not just.

    And why I root for the orca when they sink people's boats.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Well, "Aqua World" sounds better than "Concrete World"

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    When I went to Disney World in Japan, there was a train stop that leads right to it. That’s the way to handle it (not drive to a pointless monorail)

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    This is why they maul people

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    I know what this thumbnail is but I won't view it at 100% because it makes me depressed. Why are humans like this.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    It would be good PR either way.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    And I bet that parking isn't even free.

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  • [+] -15 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

    Feels like missing the point to post this here.

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  • [–] [S] 47 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Sorry, I thought it fit the theme quite clearly as it shows how a car centric infrastructure hurts us all, including animals. That huge parking lot could have been housing, or a park, or perhaps a big ass tub for them to swim in. (ps: I'm not saying they should be locked up in the first place, as the sea is right over there where they could roam freely though)

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Motorism might be one of the worst things we do to ourselves, but it's far from the worst thing we do to others. This feels like pointing out how many parking spaces it takes to operate a concentration camp.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Perhaps a second parking lot would help you get the point?

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    And what point do YOU think that would be making? Because it just tells me you're STILL missing the point. Zero parking lots wouldn't make this image reflect any better. The parking lot in this image is a rhetorical device, and treating it like the point of the message intentionally ignores the actual point being made.

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  • [+] -7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The yellow stuff earns the money for the green stuff.

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