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We’ll find a way to get round Hungary and deliver Ukraine’s €90B loan, EU vows (www.politico.eu)
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EU chiefs assure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy they have the tools to unblock the funds.

The EU will deliver on its promise to give Ukraine a much-needed €90 billion loan, despite Hungary attempting to derail the effort at the last minute, top officials said on Tuesday.

Speaking in Kyiv with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and European Council chief António Costa both insisted that the loan would go ahead soon.

"We will deliver on our word one way or the other," von der Leyen told reporters. "Let me be clear. We have different options and we will use them."

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[–] 52 points 8 months ago (14 children)

Kick Hungary out of the EU?

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Sadly there is no mechanism for this

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Article 50 would be the way if i recall correctly?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    That would be if Hungary chooses to leave. There isn't a way for other members to kick out a member against their will

    It wouldn't be much of a protection pact if the more powerful countries could just remove the smaller ones at will

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    I mean… you can’t kick them out… but you can make remaining in the union while maintaining such obstinacy so onerous and unbearable that they themselves invoke A50. This would of course be a tactic to use if Orban somehow manages to maintain his grasp on power in the upcoming election. But it should be noted as an option.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Well then you need an article that reads something along the lines of:

    "Should a member state of the EU repeatedly and consistently act in the interests of states that are outside of the EU, or against the common interest of the defense of the EU, the remaining member states may invoke Article [whatever number is next}, and may hold a vote to expel the hostile member state. The vote needs a 90+ to 95+ % of the representatives to vote in the affirmative, but at that time EU membership and all security clearances are immediately revoked."

    It's also a toothless defense pact if one hostile actor can undermine the defense of every other country in, and surrounding, the EU.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    But the other countries could leave and reform under a new treaty could they not?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Look, by the time you're resorting to asking about dissolving and reconstituting the EU as a mechanism, I'm going to boldly suggest that you aren't going to find anything the army of career civil servants navigating this crisis first-hand haven't already considered.

    Edit: Just saying, though, that we could go with The Onion's idea.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That's the right call, and if there isn't a way to vote them out then make one.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    It is not the right call. That cedes ground to Russian influence.

    The right course of action is to fight back the russian covert ops, expose orban as grossly incompetent and corrupt, and get him replaced with someone who's actually good for Hungary.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I want to believe there are a lot of people in Hungary who oppose Orban. Maybe the majority at this stage. Kicking them out would be devastating for their hope of better days.

    The EU needs better mechanisms to contain bad faith members. It can already restrict funds. They need a mechanism to pass over one member's veto.

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    • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Kick the trojan horse.

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    [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Remove hungary

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    [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Then they're being anti-strategic morons:

    Orban is Putin's ally, NOT EU's.

    Appeasement won't allow the EU to be viable, once Trump has ripped civilrights from the Americas, & the EU has NOBODY helping it, against China-backed Putin.

    No matter: the souls who WON'T learn, this world, .. whenever they accept that their opportunity's finally gone ( like millenia in the future, after not having human-category-lives to inhabit because we wouldn't do what we had to do, to survive )..

    they'll find some other world, & ..

    .. do exactly the same won't-grow-up there, too.

    Only a tiny-percentage of souls grow-up, on each world, it looks like, & that means that no significant fraction of humankind will grow-up in time, here.

    So, a species-wide DarwinAward will be our epitaph, later this century.

    At-least inertia/won't-grow-up gets to be honored as being our most-important "god"..

    That must mean something..

    /s

    < bitterness >

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    "We will deliver on our word one way or the other," von der Leyen told reporters. "Let me be clear. We have different options and we will use them."

    I don't think appeasement is the strategy, why would you think that?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    The results-at-the-time indicated that the EU couldn't deliver.

    I was accepting that evidence/result as valid.

    Politicians saying things which contradict their-actions don't convince me, anymore.

    I'm old.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Where there's a will there's a way, as they say.
    And the will was very strong in EU, the only reason EU didn't force it through sooner, was because we want to have good relations with the new government of Hungary, if the Hungarian people should decide to throw out Orban, which they luckily did.

    I was 100% confident that EU would find a way around Orban if necessary. It is of enormous importance and high priority to Europe that we help Ukraine win this war.

    But to be fair, I'm from Denmark, and we are the strongest supporters of Ukraine in the world. So I'm biased too, but I know it, and I try to be careful not to base my expectations too much on it.

    We are also the country in EU with the least confidence in USA now, in part because of Greenland, but AFAIK we were already before that.

    Politicians saying things which contradict their-actions don’t convince me, anymore.

    USA is near irrelevant politically to us now.
    When EU politicians sweet talk Trump, the agenda is quite different. But I guess you figured that out too, when looking at the actions of EU.

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