TERFs make me sad. The fact that they have decided that people want someone less deserving of equal rights than them is so short sighted. If trans rights are removed, it just helps justify removing their rights shortly after. Gay marriage is already on the chopping block again in the US. And women's rights in general after that since much of the justification is biblical, not scientific, and in biblical terms, women are property of men.

Nicole Mowbray says putting everyone under the same LGBTQIA umbrella means there are limited opportunities to be in single-sex spaces.

the "lesbian not queer" and "female" t-shirts say a lot ... it's only in a post-feminist and post-gay-rights moment that self-identifying gay feminists can feel comfortable enough to break with their political alliances to push forward their right to discriminate against other members within their alliance, while simultaneously reifying the very gender essentialist views that generations of feminists have been fighting against 🤦‍♀️

this case is especially egregious given the fact that they already do have a right to discriminate:

Even without the legal exemption, the LAG can still exclude trans women from private gatherings, but LAG spokesperson Nicole Mowbray said public events were necessary in order to attract new members.

"Young and emerging lesbians cannot find their people because we've been underground in order to keep [biological] males out of our dating pool and our events," she said outside court.

They just want to expand their right to discriminate from private events to public ones.

On the one hand I can be sympathetic to the sort of cultural shock of integrating into society women who have penises and may look and sound like men, etc. - that's not an easy change to make in such a transphobic and sex-segregated society, and while I think the evidence backs those women really being women (and biologically female in non-trivial ways), it's still a big lift to get people to see trans women as women when to their eyes and ears they see and hear men.

That said, my sympathy vanishes when I read they already have the right to discriminate (and they exercise that right without issue), and this particular fight is ultimately just about being able to do that in bigger and more public ways ...

and there are already examples of exemptions given:

In 2009, an exemption to the Victorian Equal Opportunity Act was granted so there could be women-only swimming sessions at the North Altona leisure centre for two hours on a Friday night.

That was to allow Muslim women unable to participate in mixed-gender swimming sessions to engage with the sport.

Professor Thornton said that exemption was far less restrictive than the LAG's request for a five-year exemption.

"That's not a narrow time-scale of an hour or two," she said.

so it doesn't feel like the courts are particularly biased or unfair, they gave allowance to Muslim women to discriminate against trans women on a religious basis, but in a way that was reasonably restrained - so this LAG group seems either unserious or attempting to push the boundaries of exemptions in ways that are likely to fail (but may help generate backlash and mobilize the anti-trans movement there).

Either way, this group is not interested in LGBT+ rights, and see themselves as opposed to the LGBT+ rights movement. I suspect despite what they say, that they are more motivated by transphobia than gay rights.

Hi. Non-binary lesbian here, dated a few trans women.

If equipment is an issue for you, maybe consider doing the sane and normal thing of keeping that discriminatory shit to yourself until you've developed a tiny bit of tolerance for what is essentially the sexual equivalent of crying over finding a spider in the bathroom.

Some of us like spiders. Most of us shrug and don't really mind spiders. Being startled by finding a spider is fairly normal, but so is calming the fuck down after realizing it can't hurt you.

Banning spiders in the bathroom is not only stupid and unfeasible, it shows a fundamental flaw in your outlook as a human being. How do you ban nature from being natural? By that same logic, banning lesbians from interacting with other lesbians as a group for lesbians just proves that you aren't a group representing lesbians' best interests.

Signed,

An appreciator of women and bathroom spiders.

Lmao they think the reason there's no young people in their ranks is because they had to stay underground to avoid transfems. This feels like a nothing burger tbh

There's J.K. Rowling, now there's also Gay.K. Rowling? Situation is dire...

TERFs in action, folks.

LAG are a bunch of terf arseholes and considering the transgender panic has been explicitly dropped and fanned as a distraction from Epstein Activities, I will consider anyone pushing this shit to be a goddamn pedo mouthpiece.

Get. Fucked.

Literally my first thought: s it going to be based on honesty policy or is one of them going to act as the official genital inspector? I mean I am a heterosexual cisgender man, but even I can see that they are going to struggle to attract new young members when the newbies have to demonstrate their fully functional reproductive system to a senior member before being invited to events.

I have heard some pretty rough stories of women transvestigating people and making it worse by pushing past the limits of verbal and psychological harassment into physical assault. Do they really feel that this will make their community safer?

When minorities forget that reactionaries hate all of them equally.

Will they accept a ftm trans person into their group?

I doubt it. Once you start excluding some people, you start looking for ways to exclude everyone. Choose love, not hatred.

"The Victorian-based LAG says it subscribes to the philosophy of lesbian feminism and does not believe humans can change sex.".

Nobody's suggesting people can change their biological sex. But gender is a social construct, separate from sex. That's why it's literally called transgender.

Heads up, they lost…….again. This 15 member group failed to change a law that doesn’t need changing. Sometimes good things do happen.

This is so stupid

Yes, so call it what it is, bigotry.

I mean if they're allowed to exclude men on the basis of sex then I don't see why not. What's to stop them from rebranding themselves from a lesbian group to a cis woman lesbian group.

It’s so sad how the LGBT can’t get it through their thick skulls that if the T gets dropped, it’s just a matter of time before it’s the L and the G

The courts heard it because a bunch of shitty old bigots won't stop screeching it...

The "court hears" all types of crazy shit

Sounds like the Lesbian Action Group is lagging behind the times.

How do they plan to enforce this ? Knickers down at the door ? What of post op ? What the fuck ?

"[Lesbians] are united by one or more common features … mainly biology," Dr Blake said.

Ughhh we're about to witness another legal argument that boils down to "what is a woman" while pretending it's not just about whether they're cis–passing. If they really want to draw this line, the butch cis lesbians are in for a rude shock when accusations of transness come their way.