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[–] 67 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Why do these people even use the hospital for birth if thry are going to fight their standard care? Stay home and no one will bug you about any shots, dumbasses.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    They do stay home, rather than a doctor or nurses being seconds away, they'd rather have birth in their living rooms in a fucking blow up pool with a midwife. Who they trust more than literal doctors and nurses.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Aren't midwives, like, experts in childbirth tho?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    There is no mandatory certification system for midwives. So you might get lucky and get a former emergency room nurse, or you might get unlucky and get someone who believes crystals will stop the bleeding or turn the baby around.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Wow that must be a US thing then, NHS in the UK definitely doesn't send unqualified midwives into the field!

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Did the most progressive (science) birth ever. Always vaccinate all the vaccines.

    But iirc vitamin k was the one thing they really encouraged the parents to decide for themselves

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I was initially against vitK with my newborn, simply because I didn't want her to be messed with a bunch in her first 48hrs of life. The Dr explained I was going to drive home in Miami traffic, and it was safest to get the vitamin K to prevent excessive bleeding if we crashed,so I consented and she got the shot with me feeding her. Im very pro vaccine, and she has all her shots. The best solution is to find a dr you trust and trust their advice. As informed as I felt i was im neither a scientist nor a doctor. My feelings of not wanting her to be messed with are valid, but science > feelings.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Your feelings aren't valid, because modern diets don't necessarily have the complete array of components that we know we need, and the standard of care fills common gaps that we've found.

    So unless you were getting your breast milk tested in advance to identify if your diet has filled these common gaps, no your daughter absolutely needed to be messed with to give her the strongest baseline for her development that we can give her.

    Really, you know this, which is why you are enthusiastic about vaccines. You know that the negative side effects of vaccines are much more palatable than the negative effects of diseases.

    "Messed with" is vague, emotionally charged, and doesn't describe the actual thing.

    If you had feelings about the ethics of artificially filling a nutrient gap, those would actually be more valid even though when you put it in those terms it seems completely stupid.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    These morons have been brainwashed to visualize life-saving immunizations as "scary unfeeling doctor man forced poison into my sweet innocent baby".

    And they just eat it the fuck up.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The two major narratives I see on Lemmy about healthcare in the US.

    1. The medical companies are profit driven and untrustworthy

    2. People who don't trust the medical companies are frustratingly ignorant.

    Of course the issues are complicated and woven with details and nuance, though I have to wonder if there isn't a reason why this happening beyond "They're brainwashed"

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Why trust experts when you can just let Facebook tell you what to believe?

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    So many children have been abused by conspiracy theory parents denying them life saving medical care. We need to push back against these anti-vaccine lunatics and educate the public.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Fuck you Bobby.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Maybe they were all looking for the most evil and disgusting way to win a (late) darwin award.

    In the end there are fewer of their genes in the big pool. If that what they want.. tragic, but can't force them.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    oh my satan what a trump title. Seriously this is an old news item so I know what it is about but man it could not be more obfuscated. Its about vitamin k shots.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    As long as its Americans falling for this shit I think the rest of the world can live with some Darwin awards. All of this science and research and you kill yourself by refusing is allowed in my books. Remember were animals and we shouldn’t be saving people who don’t want to be saved.

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  • [+] -11 points 8 months ago (29 children)
  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Being raised by conservative assholes shouldn’t be a death sentence.

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  • [+] -2 points 8 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I was raised by said conservatives and if I was born thirty years later I’d have been unvaccinated. I don’t have a good answer for you. But you’re condemning a lot of people (that may eventually disagree with their parents!) to a pretty unhealthy existence.

    Maybe consider being a little less gleeful when thinking about dead kids, even if their parents are assholes.

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  • [+] -1 points 8 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    In fact, I see a solution

    I can’t conceive of any context in which this doesn’t mean “the suffering of children is a good outcome.” Like, the suffering of children will convince their parents that they were wrong?

    There is a simple solution:

    1. Vaccinations are provided at no cost.
    2. Vaccinations are required by law. No religious exemption. No “I’m a parent and I say so” exemption.
    3. Day one of school will be vaccination catch-up day for kids who have fallen behind.

    That won’t get everyone. But it’ll get enough to ensure broad community immunity. The people writing and implementing the laws just have to be willing to grow a spine and say “your opinion as a parent does not overrule medical science.”

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  • [+] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I can’t think of a more direct way to get ignorant parents to understand the harm they’ve caused than for their own children to suffer from their actions

    I don’t need them to understand. I’m okay if they’re angry. They can throw a fit on Facebook and get a million likes. But if their kid doesn’t get the measles, it’s worth it.

    You’re saying you want to be proven right. I’m saying I don’t care what they think as long as their kids are okay.

    And yeah, I’m from the US. A rural town from a flyover state. My parents vaccinated me during the Clinton administration because the whole right wing coalition was there to disagree with him, not convince their rank and file that he was the antichrist.

    They can’t make their constituents hate “the left” (for whatever that’s worth in the US) any more than they already do. So why not just do the right thing? You’re correct in that center-left people will never enact what I’m suggesting. I’m going to stick around and make sure better people replace them.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    Social conservatives have shown, time and again, that they won't stop at simply refusing treatment for themselves. They want to make sure that everyone lives according to their beliefs. They will, of course, claim they are protecting children.

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  • [+] -4 points 8 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It’s easy:

    Your kid doesn’t get to participate in any public services (school, for instance) if they are not vaccinated - no non-medical exceptions. And it is illegal to refuse to educate your kid.

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  • [+] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That used to be a thing in a lot of states - admittedly, there were some more exceptions, but generally school districts were reasonably strict about it, as a matter of public and community health. But the antivax movement took a lot of the teeth out of those mandates - so much so that many places in the US have lost their herd immunity as a result of so many idiot parents “doing their own research”.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    But they are stopping others from getting what’s needed, their own child. Without said child’s consent.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (8 children)

    What you proposed is straight up eugenics. To you, letting babies die preventable deaths because their parents are idiots isn't a problem, it's a solution to idiots.

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  • [+] -1 points 8 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Simple, you don't convince them. You give them no choice and impose penalties for not doing it.

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  • [+] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)