Why do these people even use the hospital for birth if thry are going to fight their standard care? Stay home and no one will bug you about any shots, dumbasses.
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Vitamin k
My ex-MIL denied her kids this. It’s child abuse, pure and simple. Nice lady, but it’s child abuse. She should be overruled by the doctors. Insane we allow this to happen
Did the most progressive (science) birth ever. Always vaccinate all the vaccines.
But iirc vitamin k was the one thing they really encouraged the parents to decide for themselves
I was initially against vitK with my newborn, simply because I didn't want her to be messed with a bunch in her first 48hrs of life. The Dr explained I was going to drive home in Miami traffic, and it was safest to get the vitamin K to prevent excessive bleeding if we crashed,so I consented and she got the shot with me feeding her. Im very pro vaccine, and she has all her shots. The best solution is to find a dr you trust and trust their advice. As informed as I felt i was im neither a scientist nor a doctor. My feelings of not wanting her to be messed with are valid, but science > feelings.
Your feelings aren't valid, because modern diets don't necessarily have the complete array of components that we know we need, and the standard of care fills common gaps that we've found.
So unless you were getting your breast milk tested in advance to identify if your diet has filled these common gaps, no your daughter absolutely needed to be messed with to give her the strongest baseline for her development that we can give her.
Really, you know this, which is why you are enthusiastic about vaccines. You know that the negative side effects of vaccines are much more palatable than the negative effects of diseases.
"Messed with" is vague, emotionally charged, and doesn't describe the actual thing.
If you had feelings about the ethics of artificially filling a nutrient gap, those would actually be more valid even though when you put it in those terms it seems completely stupid.
These morons have been brainwashed to visualize life-saving immunizations as "scary unfeeling doctor man forced poison into my sweet innocent baby".
And they just eat it the fuck up.
The two major narratives I see on Lemmy about healthcare in the US.
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The medical companies are profit driven and untrustworthy
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People who don't trust the medical companies are frustratingly ignorant.
Of course the issues are complicated and woven with details and nuance, though I have to wonder if there isn't a reason why this happening beyond "They're brainwashed"
Why trust experts when you can just let Facebook tell you what to believe?
So many children have been abused by conspiracy theory parents denying them life saving medical care. We need to push back against these anti-vaccine lunatics and educate the public.
Maybe they were all looking for the most evil and disgusting way to win a (late) darwin award.
In the end there are fewer of their genes in the big pool. If that what they want.. tragic, but can't force them.
oh my satan what a trump title. Seriously this is an old news item so I know what it is about but man it could not be more obfuscated. Its about vitamin k shots.
As long as its Americans falling for this shit I think the rest of the world can live with some Darwin awards. All of this science and research and you kill yourself by refusing is allowed in my books. Remember were animals and we shouldn’t be saving people who don’t want to be saved.
Being raised by conservative assholes shouldn’t be a death sentence.
I was raised by said conservatives and if I was born thirty years later I’d have been unvaccinated. I don’t have a good answer for you. But you’re condemning a lot of people (that may eventually disagree with their parents!) to a pretty unhealthy existence.
Maybe consider being a little less gleeful when thinking about dead kids, even if their parents are assholes.
In fact, I see a solution
I can’t conceive of any context in which this doesn’t mean “the suffering of children is a good outcome.” Like, the suffering of children will convince their parents that they were wrong?
There is a simple solution:
- Vaccinations are provided at no cost.
- Vaccinations are required by law. No religious exemption. No “I’m a parent and I say so” exemption.
- Day one of school will be vaccination catch-up day for kids who have fallen behind.
That won’t get everyone. But it’ll get enough to ensure broad community immunity. The people writing and implementing the laws just have to be willing to grow a spine and say “your opinion as a parent does not overrule medical science.”
I can’t think of a more direct way to get ignorant parents to understand the harm they’ve caused than for their own children to suffer from their actions
I don’t need them to understand. I’m okay if they’re angry. They can throw a fit on Facebook and get a million likes. But if their kid doesn’t get the measles, it’s worth it.
You’re saying you want to be proven right. I’m saying I don’t care what they think as long as their kids are okay.
And yeah, I’m from the US. A rural town from a flyover state. My parents vaccinated me during the Clinton administration because the whole right wing coalition was there to disagree with him, not convince their rank and file that he was the antichrist.
They can’t make their constituents hate “the left” (for whatever that’s worth in the US) any more than they already do. So why not just do the right thing? You’re correct in that center-left people will never enact what I’m suggesting. I’m going to stick around and make sure better people replace them.
Social conservatives have shown, time and again, that they won't stop at simply refusing treatment for themselves. They want to make sure that everyone lives according to their beliefs. They will, of course, claim they are protecting children.
It’s easy:
Your kid doesn’t get to participate in any public services (school, for instance) if they are not vaccinated - no non-medical exceptions. And it is illegal to refuse to educate your kid.
That used to be a thing in a lot of states - admittedly, there were some more exceptions, but generally school districts were reasonably strict about it, as a matter of public and community health. But the antivax movement took a lot of the teeth out of those mandates - so much so that many places in the US have lost their herd immunity as a result of so many idiot parents “doing their own research”.
But they are stopping others from getting what’s needed, their own child. Without said child’s consent.
That’s a job for a doctor, which I am not.
A final one?
What you proposed is straight up eugenics. To you, letting babies die preventable deaths because their parents are idiots isn't a problem, it's a solution to idiots.
Simple, you don't convince them. You give them no choice and impose penalties for not doing it.
No, I'm American. I didn't say it was a likely thing to happen, just that it's a simple fix.
Eliminating opposition is an even simpler fix. It's unlikely and it should be unlikely because that's a dangerous road to go down.
Good thing they aren't the final arbiter of truth, the all knowing, omniscient, all powerful enforcer of that which is true and just. But you aren't either, so its good that you also don't have that power.
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